BladeGaurd Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I am looking to add a 500 pt to 600 pt Adepta Sororitas detachment to my Grey Knights (mostly a vehicle spear tip play style though some times crazy deep striking) mainly for anti armor, what are the "must" have for this. What do people think about the use of a Repressor and Repentia, I love the models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 At 500 points? Allied Detachment, I assume? Canoness (Bolt pistol, Inferno Pistol) Battle Sister squad (2x Meltagun, Repressor) Dominion squad (+4 Dominions, 4x Meltagun, Repressor, Combi-melta) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3789643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes it is an allied detachment, might make it larger latter but for now just an allied. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3789654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zatazuken Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Won't you need another group of Battle Sisters? I was under the impression that battle brothers needed another CAD? Er...assuming you want to go battle forged, that is? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3789741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Won't you need another group of Battle Sisters? I was under the impression that battle brothers needed another CAD? Er...assuming you want to go battle forged, that is? Allied Detachment can be taken by any battle forged list and can not be your same faction nor include your warlord, now the confusing part that appears is that they use faction interchangeably with global faction like the Imperium and army faction like Grey Knights. As far as I can figure out is that the Imperium is considered one faction on the allies matric but is actually multiple faction for the purposes of an army, this stipulation is further supported by all the supplement codex being "a faction". I have found 2 possible ways to read it: 1 that my faction is Grey Knight and I am battle brothers to all imperials and can take an Allied Detachment as long as I do not buy one of Grey Knights or have my warlord in it. The second way is I am Imperium and there for can not ally with other Imperium as an Allied Detachment but I can buy them to use in my army just as if they where in my codex, no need for another detachment at all. The second way feels wrong to me. Reread the chart it makes a clear distinction that imperial forces are each a separate faction. Also note, if I wished I could do a Grey Knight's Combined Arms Detachment and a Sister's Combined Arms Detachment but still only have 1 warlords. Thought about doing it and calling it Chamber Militant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3789810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Repentia tear through enemy armour as if it were tissue paper. Getting them where they're going is their issue, because they go to war in their underwear. Already running Grey Knight vehicles if you've got a land raider to put them into that can work. I don't do it, but some people do. Exorcists rock, though the Dominions are probably more versatile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3789857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Upon examining the rules, it appears to be the case that if you wish to include both Sisters and GK in the same army, they must be from separate Combined Arms detachments, which, by the way, sucks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3789977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarov Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You could wear them into battle spread on your armour? I hear that's a fairly popular method... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3790026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 So ... 500 points of mechanized anti-armor in a CAD. HQ - Canoness with no upgrades. Troop - Battle Sister Squad (5) with 2 melta guns. Immolator with twin-linked multimelta - Battle Sister Squad (5) with 2 melta guns. Immolator with twin-linked multimelta Fast Attack - Dominion Squad (5) with 4 melta guns, Simulacrum and a veteran superior. Repressor. The Dominions' strength is not only massed melta but also Scout USR with an Act of Faith that lets them ignore cover. I think their Act of Faith deserves a vet superior to insure they make the test and a Simulacrum so they can use it more than once. Repentia? I adore them. The models, the lore, their ability make heavy armor last as long as wrapping paper on Christmas, the way they look up at me with wide, fearful eyes and say "Mistress, please" while sweat plasters their hair in streaks across their face -- or is that just in my head. Anyway, it's hard to get them into assault but I like to take a unit in most games just because I am so fond of them. They don't always do much but when they do, it is hideous. You could wear them into battle spread on your armour? I hear that's a fairly popular method... Ret-conned. it never happened now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3790048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 If you're going to put the Dominions in a Repressor, then you can save points on the Sister Superior by sticking the Canoness in the squad and use them to give her an Inferno Pistol (which will then benefit from the AoF...), Otherwise, I'd go with Jacinda's list in light of the CAD thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3790101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Upon examining the rules, it appears to be the case that if you wish to include both Sisters and GK in the same army, they must be from separate Combined Arms detachments, which, by the way, sucks. I am not finding that result reading through the rules again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3790286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The 'logic' is this: If your armies come from the same Faction, they must be Combined Arms Detachments, not Allied Detachments. The Allies section states that armies with a Faction of "Grey Knights", "Astra Militarum", "Adepta Sororitas", etc, are all treated as being Faction "Armies of the Imperium". Therefore, Grey Knights and Adepta Sororitas are both the same Faction, and therefore cannot be taken as Allied Detacahments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3790604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purifying Tempest Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Yikes, if that is how imperium armies ally to each other... That really sucks. I was planning a Sororitas detachment assisting my grey knights that consisted of: Canonness with Combi-melta and Litanies Troop of 5 sisters in a melta Immolator (options that rhyme with flamer are acceptable on the sisters). 5 dominions (4 meltas) in another melta immolator (this is where the canonness goes). And opponents permitting: an avenger strike fighter (read as exorcist for "that guy"). Lots of dedicated armor punching to support GK lists. A super scoring unit that will likely be ignored. Then an anti-aircraft option with the avenger that can put out volume shots against medium-sized targets. Edit: I may post a topic on this because it is unclear (par for GW?), but given that the faction is your codex title... and the section that lumps imperium forces is specific to allied forces interaction, I believe that Adepta Sororitas and Grey Knights are different factions and thus could Nemesis Strike Force detachment combined with allied detachment of sisters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3791841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 There is some disagreement over the subject. My personal recommendation is discuss it with your gaming group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3791856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purifying Tempest Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 There is some disagreement over the subject. My personal recommendation is discuss it with your gaming group. Agreed, especially before an event where it could have drastic effects on your list. Though I was thinking of reversing the FOCs a little and taking sisters for reasonably priced troops and stuff (more exorcists?) and taking a Nemesis Strike Force detachment for a couple of dreadknights. Maybe a librarian with sanctuary or something, may make the shield of faith invul 5++? Or send the libby with a melee command squad for invis. Point is, I think normal FOC sisters with nemesis strike force for some ground pounders may be better than the other way around. Two dreadknights supported by exorcists... no bueno. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3791887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Sounds good to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3791889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purifying Tempest Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 If I get a little time today I'll try to scour up a list for looking over. The thought intrigues me, almost tickles a little! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3791958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 You can take two different Imperial Codices both as CAD. So a BT CAD and a Sisters CAD in my case. But you can also choose to use the Allied Detachment if it's a different Faction than your CAD. So BT CAD and AS AD. BT and AS are different Factions, as laid out in the rulebook description of Factions. Yes, they are grouped in the Ally chart as "Armies of the Imperium" and thus use the same "levels of alliance" and are all Battle Brothers to each other, but I don't see any mention there that they'd be considered as being the same Faction. "Units that have the following Factions are considered to be Armies of the Imperium" - it does not say they are the same Faction, for example something like "Units that have the following Factions are considered to be Armies of the Imperium and are treated as a single Faction". Because the Allied Detachment restriction is specifically about being a different Faction, there's no conflict. Also, Supplements are the same faction as what the parent Codex uses so therefore you can't use AD if using parent+supplement, while within C:SM there's the special distinction of being able to use an allied detachment of marines with a different CT from your primary detachment. But I suppose that's neither here nor there as far as this thread's topic is concerned. So in short, unless I missed something, generally speaking you can use either AD or CAD for your Imperial allies, whichever happens to suit you better. I think I'll be using CAD+CAD combos more, myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hm, I made my post having misread the rules as saying "are considered to have a Faction of 'Armies of the Imperium'. Seems I was right in the first place before Zatazuken confused me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zatazuken Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Ooooooops...I have been doing that a lot lately, haven't I? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 It's OK, I'm easily confused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 strange wording on rules are GW bread and butter. I am thinking: Canonness with Combi-melta6 sisters with melta in a melta Immolator 9 Dominion squad with 4 Meltagun in Repressor or using an excorsist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The Melta-minions are excellent anti-tank. The Exorcist is mostly good for slaughtering your way through terminators and meganobs. The Melta-minions are excellent anti-tank. The Exorcist is mostly good for slaughtering your way through terminators and meganobs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeGaurd Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 That is good to know. Generally I kill terminators and meganobs well with just wait of high s attacks. So what I am hearing is I should look at snagging for a general range of collection: 5-6 melta guns 10-12 bolters 2-3 sergeants a cannoness Repentia... I love there look various transports 1+ Repressor and at least 1 immolator Poor rhino, never getting any love. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Poor rhino, never getting any love. Speaking of ... Rhinos and Immolators are the same price from GW. Since Immolator kits are just rhinos with Immolator bits, it is best to buy an Immolator even if you just want a rhino. Also, the top hole where the Immolator weapon turret fits is the same size as a regular rhino top hatch. Just trade out the turret for a hatch with pintel mounted storm bolter to go from Immolator to a distinctivly SoB Rhino any time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295794-adding-a-detatchment-to-grey-knights/#findComment-3792459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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