Sister fluff change in the GK codex

[thade]

The Emperor's Gift is required reading for any serious GK or Ordos aficionado. <3 It's really quite good, especially as far as 40k novels go.

[Templar1]

I think the snippet was something about Logan Grimnar killing a Grey Knight Grand Master because he didn't want his guys mindwiped. Or something like that.

[Ullr Direfang]

Yes, I have seen that in many different places but I beleive the snippet from the last edition is about the first war of armagedon, or the second... not sure, but at the end of it all, the big I and the lords of the lands decide to mind wipe and sterilise the people that had any idea of what was happening, Grimnar lost it when he heard what they were doing and it almost ended up in a civil war.

 

Or it could be a long standing fluff bit that the big I sent soem guys to fenris to look into what was happening to them, 'cause the I saw them as weirdos, but the second they got close, they were fired upon.

[Kastor Krieg]

That's a gross simplification. Here's what happened with Grimnar.

 

 

After Armageddon the Inquisition wanted to mind wipe and purge all the Guard regiments who fought Chaos alongside the Wolves, mind wipe the Wolves and kill all the population of the cities on the planet, even those several that never saw any of the war, just for the sin of living on the planet that Angron has tread on. Turns out all the Inquisition cared for on the planet was the industrial infrastructure to remain intact. Even the Grey Knights, most of them, felt used and abused because over one hundred of their best, of the 666 of the lot of them, have given their lives for almost nothing if that went as planned.

 

Grimnar told the Inquisitor to sod off, that the Guard deserve to live as bloody heroes and that they will be worth a lot as specialists in fighting such incursions. In reply to which the Inquisitor has sent the population basically to indentured slavery for life, to be worked until death and has ordered the Guard transports to be destroyed by Grey Knight ships once they were about to leave the system or hunted down when they managed to leave. The Greys carried through with that order, with a lot of distaste, but the Space Wolves have managed to protect enough transports that the truth of Armageddon got out - the daemons, the Greys and all.[/size]

 

It all ended over Fenris, when the Inquisitor has laid siege to the planet, defended by only a single ship, docked for repairs to boot, while having the entirety of the Red Hunter Chapter fleet at his disposal and all their Companies present. Grimnar's fleet showed uo, void combat occured, yadda yadda. Grimnar and his Wolves teleported (!) onto the deck of the Inquisitor's flagship. There, the current Grey Knight Chapter Grand Master, who broke his vows of alliance given to the Great Wolf, was slain for that precisely, as a traitor and oathbreaker, with a single strike of Morkai.

 

[Ullr Direfang]

Well in my defense, I didn't search for it, but it was an sum up kind of thing.

[Leif Bearclaw]

That's a gross simplification. Here's what happened with Grimnar.

 

 

After Armageddon the Inquisition wanted to mind wipe and purge all the Guard regiments who fought Chaos alongside the Wolves, mind wipe the Wolves and kill all the population of the cities on the planet, even those several that never saw any of the war, just for the sin of living on the planet that Angron has tread on. Turns out all the Inquisition cared for on the planet was the industrial infrastructure to remain intact. Even the Grey Knights, most of them, felt used and abused because over one hundred of their best, of the 666 of the lot of them, have given their lives for almost nothing if that went as planned.

 

Grimnar told the Inquisitor to sod off, that the Guard deserve to live as bloody heroes and that they will be worth a lot as specialists in fighting such incursions. In reply to which the Inquisitor has sent the population basically to indentured slavery for life, to be worked until death and has ordered the Guard transports to be destroyed by Grey Knight ships once they were about to leave the system or hunted down when they managed to leave. The Greys carried through with that order, with a lot of distaste, but the Space Wolves have managed to protect enough transports that the truth of Armageddon got out - the daemons, the Greys and all.[/size]

 

It all ended over Fenris, when the Inquisitor has laid siege to the planet, defended by only a single ship, docked for repairs to boot, while having the entirety of the Red Hunter Chapter fleet at his disposal and all their Companies present. Grimnar's fleet showed uo, void combat occured, yadda yadda. Grimnar and his Wolves teleported (!) onto the deck of the Inquisitor's flagship. There, the current Grey Knight Chapter Grand Master, who broke his vows of alliance given to the Great Wolf, was slain for that precisely, as a traitor and oathbreaker, with a single strike of Morkai.

 

You've mixed a couple of events there.

 

The Inquisitor responsible for the entire mess died when Grimnar boarded his flagship over Fenris. The Grand Master (Joros I believe) died earlier. The Wolves were non-violently resisting the Knight/Inquisition attempt to purge the armies of Armageddon (who Grimnar had specifically (and successfully) attempted to avoid being exposed to all that Daemon stuff). The Inquisitor called for a parley to resolve the issue under a banner of truce, Grimnar agreed. The Inquisitor then ordered the Wolves' ships attacked, Joros protested but gave the command to fire. After successful betrayal, Grimnar boards the GK ship for a second 'parley'. During which Grimnar heaps scorn on the Knights for their duplicity, laughs at the idea that the Wolves are going to back down now (whatever happens to him), and demands to know who gave the order to attack his ship. Joros admits his culpability, at which point Grimnar cuts him down before Joros can even draw his blades ("That's for my ship"). The Grey Knights then try to block the Wolves escaping by teleporter with their psychic ability, but gunning down some Justicars disrupts their net enough for Grimnar to escape. More Wolf ships arrive to cover the crippled flagship, and the violent portion of the 'Months of Shame' begin, which ends when Bjorn declares it so over Fenris.

 

[Alpha One]

Grimnar killing an oathbreaker is fine in my book, regardless of who he is because Big LG Papa Wolf don't care. =)

[thade]

The GM was doing what he believed to be right; so was Logan. It would've been nice if they'd talked things out, but...well, what did they expect to happen when they tricked Big Bad Logan?

[Jacinda]

 It would've been nice if they'd talked things out, but...

Sort of like Prespero.  

It amazing how much good a safe word and 10 minutes of aftercare can do :)

[Knight of the Raven]

What we've had there was failure to communicate.

 

And plot armor.

[Leif Bearclaw]

The GM was doing what he believed to be right; so was Logan. It would've been nice if they'd talked things out, but...well, what did they expect to happen when they tricked Big Bad Logan?

That was actually the thing that bugged me about the scene, and The Emperor's Gift in general. I found the Grey Knights far too subservient to the Inquisition, especially compared to Counter's series (the new dex is also far better in presenting them as an independent force, rather than inquisitorial lackeys). In this particular case, Joros didn't do what he thought was right, he objected to spitting on the truce, but followed the Inquisitor's orders anyway, then took the flak when really it was the Inquisitor's fault that the truce was broken.