Gaz1858 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hey all, I wondered if anyone had given much thought to using the NDK as a Warlord? In my GK list my HQ is a Libby. With 2 wounds he isnt hugely survivable. Especially as he will be in the enemies face with his unit. So as a Warlord what about the Dreadknight. I have three in my 1850 list and it seems to me that he would benefit more from the Personal Traits than the Libby would in any other Trait. 1. Counterstrike - Thats alright 2. Furious Charge - Useless 3. Outflank - Average but can have its uses. With a teleporter regardless of which side you come in youll be fine 4. +1 VP for each slain Character - NDK slaughters characters 5. Feel No Pain - YES! 6. - Fearless and IWND - YES!! So given that you get to reroll the dice thers a good chance you'll get something good. Whats the consensus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhardt Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 May be I am wrong, but I think you cannot take the NDK as Warlord?! If this would be possible, it would be a great idea. Would be something similar to the Eldar Wraithknight from Codex Iyanden...my collegue loves to play this one, and I hate it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 .............................................. Gaz you are a genius! The Warlord rules simply state 'pick a character' now. They don't care if he's a HQ, has the highest Leadership....just has to be a character. Wow. This is so perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I just read the entry in the rulebook on Warlords. Its possible... When choosing your army, you must nominate one model to be your Warlord.Unless specified otherwise, this must be a character model. If you do not haveany character models in your army, then select any other model in your army to be theWarlord. The model you choose as your Warlord also determines your PrimaryDetachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Exactly, your Justicar can be a warlord if you wanted, though the Emperor knows why you would! With the Warlord Traits at our disposal it actually seems like the best idea unless your running Strategic in which case it doesnt matter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 'Hey, so my Warlord is my unkillable Chapter Master on a Bike' 'That is so cool. Mine is a T6 4 wound 2+/4+ invul monstrous creature with a jump pack, S10 AP2 melee and two guns. Plus he costs less. And that Gorgon Chain stuff doesn't matter btw' This is what playing Tau must feel like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhardt Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 wooohooo....so I have to try this one in my next game! Thank you for the hint! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 So as a Warlord what about the Dreadknight. I have three in my 1850 list and it seems to me that he would benefit more from the Personal Traits than the Libby would in any other Trait. 1. Counterstrike - Thats alright 2. Furious Charge - Useless 3. Outflank - Average but can have its uses. With a teleporter regardless of which side you come in youll be fine 4. +1 VP for each slain Character - NDK slaughters characters 5. Feel No Pain - YES! 6. - Fearless and IWND - YES!! So given that you get to reroll the dice thers a good chance you'll get something good. Whats the consensus? Codex:Dreadknight. As any Tau commander would tell you FNP on a monstrous creature is fantastic - that is the one you really want in most games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You're a genius.... At 130pts,its also our cheapest good warlord haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionicman Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hey all, I wondered if anyone had given much thought to using the NDK as a Warlord? In my GK list my HQ is a Libby. With 2 wounds he isnt hugely survivable. Especially as he will be in the enemies face with his unit. So as a Warlord what about the Dreadknight. I have three in my 1850 list and it seems to me that he would benefit more from the Personal Traits than the Libby would in any other Trait. 1. Counterstrike - Thats alright 2. Furious Charge - Useless 3. Outflank - Average but can have its uses. With a teleporter regardless of which side you come in youll be fine 4. +1 VP for each slain Character - NDK slaughters characters 5. Feel No Pain - YES! 6. - Fearless and IWND - YES!! So given that you get to reroll the dice thers a good chance you'll get something good. Whats the consensus? Brilliant idea!!! Libby with cuirass was my go to option but with 2 wounds and a good chance of perils I never felt too comfortable. Now the NDK is not only 2+/5++ and 4 W but can't be ID'd with conventional weapons, can get 4++ with his powers or 4+ cover in ruins (jump pack teleporter+being mc) easily. FNP - has a 1/3 chance to avoid perils and can spam sanctuary more often. IWND - silly good...feeling the rage already Now how to run him as warlord? I wouldn't suggest to run him naked as his abilities are very much needed. Depending on the mission (and maelstrom cards drawn) his VP is more or less essential anyway. He WILL attract a lot of fire so he might as well dish out the hurt. As I tend to run full NDK heavy, his two bodyguards should then act very aggressive so my opponent has to decide wether he wants to get that 1-X VPs for my warlord or stop his two army munching brothers.. Btw. rules question - which other MCs can be warlord? I have checked wraithknights and riptides, both are only MC /JP. Wraithlords could be taken as warlord as they have IC status. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 *cough* http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295590-the-dread-wave/ DreadKnight, Personal Teleporter, Gatling Psilencer, Heavy Psycannon (230) Warlord ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 To be honest you can kit him out how you would normally. Dont let the fact he is your Warlord make it any different. He will attract a lot of fire anyway, he is a dreadknight!! Think of the Warlord Trait as a "free upgrade" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I went with the two ranged weapons and no Greatsword just to keep him away a touch more. But if you roll IWND/FnP you could just slam him forward anyway. Wreck as much while being as durable as possible! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The reason you want the greatsword on every DK (Warlord or not) is because it gives you access to a nemesis force weapon. This is important because if you're fighting someone who is T6 or higher, you can't ID them with your base S10. Also, the master-crafted re-roll is very handy. You could also take the hammer I guess, Concussive is designed for prolonged combat though, and generally speaking you should insta-gib most things in a single turn, going longer risks too much. Also, greatsword looks way cooler ;) can't beat that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 This is fantastic.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Wow... Now, I have to buy a third NDK to be my "Grand Master". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetKelari Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Umm, this is a fantastic idea. I've got one more to build anyway. <sarcasm>I'll be sure to cover it in purity seals, so everyone knows how important he is!</sarcasm> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I think I've figured out their master plan 'Lets make Libby's absurdly cheap at Mastery 3....but how do we discourage making them the Warlord?' 'Make Dreadknights so powerful they're an auto-include? Oh, and they can be Warlords now' 'But they Deepstrike, so how do we encourage that?' 'Lets make the Terminators cheap, but nerf the hell out of ranged Purifiers and Strikes. Oh, and give them a cool new detachment. Nerds love detachments' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3790876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrick Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Nerds do love detachments... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3791490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I love attachments. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3791527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Detachments Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3791600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I don't have my dex on me, are the fists no longer a force weapon? That sucks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3794050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I don't have my dex on me, are the fists no longer a force weapon? That sucks indeed... But the hammer is only 5pts, and that has force and concussive. So is very much worth the upgrade. Or the sword, which only allows *1* re-roll to HIT and has force for 10pts. Both options attack at strength 10 ap2 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3794055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Great now I need some hammers/swords to put on my 3 fist wielding NDKs :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3794060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 They should have came with the models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295824-ndk-as-warlord/#findComment-3794120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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