Mr. Shine Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hi everyone, I've been wanting to run a Terminator-heavy army for some time now, and was tossing up between Space Wolves and Grey Knights before either of their new codices dropped. Now that both are here I've decided to run with Champions of Fenris as the primary detachment with the possibility of including Grey Knights as a separate detachment. Anyway, I have settled on wanting to run a 13th Company themed army and to that end I need to get some more Chaos-esque pieces for my two sets of Wolf Guard Terminators that are on their way to me now. It's a straightforward idea to pick up a box or two of Chaos Space Marine Terminators with which to mix and match, but I'm also considering picking up some Cataphractii and/or Justaerin models to mix in also. My question is whether anyone has either done something similar or has all the model sets and can tell me how compatible particularly the Forgeworld pieces are with the Games Workshop plastics, and vice versa. Beyond that too, if anyone has some models of their own to show, or some suggestions of how else I may 13th Company my models up, that would be much appreciated :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 The problem you may encounter with the Chaos plastics is that the bits are either very 'Chaos' (horned helmets, daemonic iconography) or so similar to loyalist bits you might as well just use the loyalist stuff. What I'd do is go for FW armours (which is a good idea anyway, as the models are epic), and either 'set' your 13th Company early, so they haven't had to loot large quantities of armour yet, or rely on the paint job. A helm doesn't need to be obviously chaotic if it's painted in Sons of Horus colours instead of proper Rout Blue/Grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Leif, but isnt a Point about the 13th, that they have chaos armor parts or even weapon parts? Perhaps cut away chaos stars if it bothers you, Mr.Shine? Just be carefull not to cut yourself when doing so. Not sure what Grey Knights would Think about chaos Icons on their allies, just fluff, but still.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yes but not too Chaos-y, back in the EoT days there was a couple of pieces in WD talking about this. You want to avoid obviously mutated, or Chaos icon carrying bits, because from a fluff perspective the 13th themselves wouldn't wear armour that tainted. Which is the problem with the Chaos Terminators imo. Whereas using a bunch of mixed Justaerin, Cataphracti and Tartaros suits with bits painted in the Chaos Warband/Legion colour of choice would retain the 13th Company look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hm, yes, they should have old armor, those mentioned are 30k, right? When did the 13th run off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Not sure atm, but certainly 30k era. The old stories either had them chasing the Sons into the warp after Prospero, or being sent to hound the Traitors during the Scouring. Unfortunately the HH series hasn't given us more up to date information yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjaco Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yes but not too Chaos-y, back in the EoT days there was a couple of pieces in WD talking about this. You want to avoid obviously mutated, or Chaos icon carrying bits, because from a fluff perspective the 13th themselves wouldn't wear armour that tainted. Which is the problem with the Chaos Terminators imo. Whereas using a bunch of mixed Justaerin, Cataphracti and Tartaros suits with bits painted in the Chaos Warband/Legion colour of choice would retain the 13th Company look. One option would be to break the chaos icons off, leaving just a rod or chain where it was, or deface them in some obvious way so as to proclaim the wearer as not being Chaos associated. One thing you could do is you could use the Chapter colors of Traitor Chapters from BEFORE the Heresy. Say that the 13th found a treasure trove of armor in the wreck of a Battle Barge or something. That would give them access to STC equipment as well, so that upon their return, in addition to being ultimate badness they would come bearing gifts. Always a good thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 That's not a bad idea. On a potentially unrelated note, it does somewhat bug me that the 13th's looted armour is always in its 'original' colour scheme (and I understand the irl reasoning, this is just a personal 'wait a minute' type niggle). So while the 13th can salvage enough food, water, ammo, fuel etc. to persist in the Eye for ten Millennia, they never manage to loot grey armour paint? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisWolf Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yes but not too Chaos-y, back in the EoT days there was a couple of pieces in WD talking about this. You want to avoid obviously mutated, or Chaos icon carrying bits, because from a fluff perspective the 13th themselves wouldn't wear armour that tainted. Which is the problem with the Chaos Terminators imo. Whereas using a bunch of mixed Justaerin, Cataphracti and Tartaros suits with bits painted in the Chaos Warband/Legion colour of choice would retain the 13th Company look. One option would be to break the chaos icons off, leaving just a rod or chain where it was, or deface them in some obvious way so as to proclaim the wearer as not being Chaos associated. One thing you could do is you could use the Chapter colors of Traitor Chapters from BEFORE the Heresy. Say that the 13th found a treasure trove of armor in the wreck of a Battle Barge or something. That would give them access to STC equipment as well, so that upon their return, in addition to being ultimate badness they would come bearing gifts. Always a good thing. I concur. I think the best fluffy thing to do would be to show obvious attempts at removing the Chaos iconography. Paint-wise, I'd actually do both. It's more work, but paint it in the original looted colors then go over it with grey, letting some of the original show through in battle damage, hastily applied or "not quite enough to cover" to show the vagaries of finding the supplies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3793348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 [quote name="Leif Bearclaw" post="3793165" they never manage to loot grey armour paint? No, because there is no grey armored chaos marine force, and additionally, Tzeentch and Slanesh doesn't like it too much neither (the other two doesn't care ahout colours). I like the idea about finding the Battlebarge armoury. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3794421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 they never manage to loot grey armour paint? No, because there is no grey armored chaos marine force, and additionally, Tzeentch and Slanesh doesn't like it too much neither (the other two doesn't care ahout colours). I like the idea about finding the Battlebarge armoury. i think you missed the point..... twice. leif is wondering how they just never found grey paint. and the iron warriors wore silver grey armor until about the 10th-12th crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3794881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 IW have got more metallic than grey - like "iron". Silver grey is more like grey knights armour in my opinion. But nevermind realy. Because the same problem is, why they don't have any vechicles bigger than bikes. Especially if they were fighting in Cadia. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3794960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I thought grey knights were bare cerimite? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3795529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Nah, bare ceramite is meant to be that off white colour used by the pre-Heresy Death Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3795684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Good point Leif. So if we paint a battle damage we should use a white paint... hmm it will look weird for sure. And there should be no rust on the SM armour and tanks. At last not so much because they are covered with ceramite as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3795719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Maybe. But it's possible that Ceramite, like iron/steel, also goes red-brown when oxidised. For the same reason that Orks have red blood, green bloodstains on green skin (and potentially white armour chips) just wouldn't look right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3795727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Ceramite does not get oxidised but could be red itself. Well it's fantasy after all and it is a ceramsteel not pure ceramite plating (which the Storm grrr is covered). So i will be using the rust effect and pure metal paint scratch;) Going back to the topic: if the 13 co is using the fallen CSM stuff, they can also use the terminatos armour as well. They will look like the figures from the Maveric 13Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3795734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shine Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Thanks for the input everyone. I've gone ahead and ordered two units of Justaerin Terminators plus two sets of Cataphractii special weapons as well as a power axe set in case I need some more storm bolters. That should work out to a fairly heavily looted look without appearing mutated. Looking forward to getting them together to show :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295938-converting-13th-company-terminators/#findComment-3795847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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