Leif Bearclaw Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 It has previously been my understanding that Typhon/Typhus was Barbaruian (Barbarusian, what is the term for coming from Barbarus?) However I noticed a potential strange little discrepancy when I (finally) finished Blood of Asaheim a few days ago. When Gunnlaugr is telling the Cannoness about Typhus he says something like "Once he was Calas Typhon of the Dusk Raiders". That would suggest Typhus is Terran (as he would've had to serve pre-Mortarion, when the XIV were still Dusk Raiders), but that doesn't really gel with Mortarion's attitude towards the Terran Death Guard. I doubt a Terran would've ended up as 1st Captain of the Legion. So, am I incorrect and Typhus has always been Terran? Or is the error legitimate? If so, it then presents two options, Wraight got it wrong, or it's intentional and the Wolves don't have an accurate record of the events of 10,000 years ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 iirc (and my memory may be hazy) he's always been a Terran, merely that he excelled in the areas his father expected and in some he did not (his knowledge and useage of alchem weaponry was second only to his dad...) - I'm not at home so I can't check Extermination or Massacre for his set details though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 According to "lexicanum" he's from barbarus decended from the warlords morty overthrough no less but alas i have no idea if this has been retcon'd with the new HH stuff from BL or FW but heres the link anyway (sorry for long link on my phone) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Typhus#.U_9ekmS9Kc0 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I believe that the newer books have him terran born. He was part of the librarius program before Mortarion joined his legion, then after the program was scraped he worked his way up to first captain. I don't believe that Mortarion ever had a problem with terran born marines, he doted on Garro before the Heresy began. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm pretty sure Massacre gels with the original Index Astartes stating that Typhon / Typhus hailed from Barbarus, shared lineage with the creatures that formerly ruled the planet (making him a human / xenos hybrid?), and was a latent pysker that had hidden his powers from all except Erebus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 The newer Black Library suggests (or even states that he's from Terra). It was the Dark Angel one with the Death Guard, can't remember the name, saying he was a librarian before Mortarion was found. The Forge World books suggest he's from Barbarus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piano_Sam Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I recently reread Flight, and I can swear Grulgor was complaining about Garro being Terran instead of a true (or whatever he said) son of Barbarus. The implication here being he (Grulgor) and Typhon were both true sons of Morty, and Garro was a relic of a former age. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 There's actually a passage in Flight of the Eisenstein where Grulgor is whining about Garro (who'd have thought) and says "he's not like us Calas, sons of Barbarus" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I rather hope this is a different Grulgor to the one in Extermination as that one is an Iron Warrior... That said I've only read 5 BL heresy books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 There isn't an Iron Warrior in Extermination called Grulgor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yup my memory's going... Sorry folks. Got mixed up with the termi fellow who leads the IWs termies in mass assaults and the name grulgor just worked aha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Warsmith Erasmus Golg of the Iron Warriors. The Flight of the Eisenstein described Typhon as Barbaran. However the FW material offer a conflicting account of Typhon being with the XIV Legion before the coming of Mortarion (he once was in training to become an Epistolary of the Legion Librarius, however the coming of Mortarion, with his hatred of witchery, put an end to that). Personally, I would just chalk it up to history getting hazy in the 10,000 years following the Horus Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Grulgor does say that. However, it can be taken as maybe Garro's way of thinking remains firmly non Barbarus. Typhon perhaps became a true son of Barbarus? Typhon does say "But Temeter..... are not from Barbarus and you don't have a problem with them." I also have a feeling that Typhon may have deleted some records/took someone else's identity within the legion to hide is psykerness. ##edit: not a direct quote Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3793706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 The disparity (or confusion) is delicious. The implication that he may have used his latent abilities to manipulate others (e.g. so that even his closest brothers knew him as a "son of Barbarus") is really interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 They state that he shares the blood of the Lords of Barbarus... he wouldn't have that if he were from Terra. I think it's mainly just oversight from other authors when they claim he's from Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Pg. 229 of Massacre under the Witchblood rule - "Thought by some to have been 'tainted' by the blood of the nightmarish alien warlords who once held sway on ill-fated Barbarus, Calas Typhon was a Psyker". Looks like a retcon to me. Which is a shame, because I'd prefer he was a Terran. We need more key traitors to be Terran... I can't think of any with rules at this point. I suppose the implication would be that the Death Guard had a Librarius under Mortarion for at least a while, in order for new recruits from Barbarus to pursue their gifts/talents. My guess is that as he found out how widespread psykers were (particularly the 1K Sons), his ire and mistrust grew to the point where his own Librarius was disbanded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I think Khârn was Terran. And Ahriman. By 40k they must be the oldest living human beings in the galaxy. Well sort of human. Do we know what the alien race on barbarous was? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 [\quote] We need more key traitors to be Terran... I can't think of any with rules at this point. Kahn was Terran n he's like the most badass of all :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 Looks like a retcon to me. Which is a shame, because I'd prefer he was a Terran. We need more key traitors to be Terran... I can't think of any with rules at this point. Um, Khârn, Ahriman (as said already) and Sevatar. That's at least a third of the Traitors with Terrans in their 'Primarch's number two' slot. As far as I'm aware the origin of the IV and XX senior captains isn't known. Plus given the way the III recruited, the likes of Lucius and Eidolon (who was the pre-eminent Lord Commander iirc) could also be of Terran stock. Which pretty much only leaves the Word Bearers and Sons of Horus with definitively non-Terran number twos. Edit: Got Sevatar wrong, but I'd still say there isn't exactly a shortage of Terran 'key traitors.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I think Sevatar was from Nostramo. In Prince of Crows it flashes back to his childhood. Also he asks a Terran Night Lord how he felt when Curze blew up Nostramo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongGone Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 In the early BL novels (I'm actually re-reading FotE right now), he's most definitely a son of Barbarus. I don't think you should take it as an implication he was Jedi mindtricking his bros to think he was from the right-wrong side of the tracks like they were. What you have to realize is that any novel published before FW's Horus Heresy books will most likely not match up to them perfectly. Especially when, from novel to novel, there are already a ton of inconsistencies. Chalk it up to the vagaries of the warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 I think Sevatar was from Nostramo. In Prince of Crows it flashes back to his childhood. Also he asks a Terran Night Lord how he felt when Curze blew up Nostramo. Yeah I'm a numpty there, got my first captains crossed, because Sahaal was Terran. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Technically, Zho Sahaal was also Night Haunter's Numbah Two. So I suppose that still counts, especially as we don't know when Sevatar died / turned / joined a travelling puppet show. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 At this point, all of the Night Lords are number two. Sevatar was from Nostramo and saw a(optimum preposition) truth no one else witnessed. Talos was the loyal confidante who was told he would become a traitor out of loyalty to his father's memory. Zso Sahaal was "the chosen heir". Krieg Acerbus was the "true heir". Needless to say, the Night Haunter delusions were obviously something else he shared with his sons. EDIT: On topic, Typhus is still a son of Barbarus. He was actually one of the first to be inducted into the Death Guard. Naturally, his psychic potentially saw him selected for entry into the Librarius. When Mortarion was able to disband the Librarius, Mortarion was trained enough to have a rank, but was still low enough on the ladder he was able to slip into the normal line soldiers and then rise through the ranks to First Captain, his past as a former Librarian being such a minor footnote that only he would remember it happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Following my edit, it is possible that Typhus could have been in the Death Guard while they were still known as the Dusk Raiders. In other words, before Mortarion assumed command of his Legion. One thing to note, it is becoming more common that many of the Primarchs spent a period of time from being found to when they took command either in the company of their fellow Primarchs(Curze stayed with Fulgrim for a bit, Alpharius traveled with Horus[or rather the Imperium's history as written in the IA articles records it that way]) while some spent quality bonding time with the Emperor on Terra(Fulgrim, Ferrus, Horus). It seems rare was the Primarch who was immediately given command of his Legion(Angron, the Lion). So this leaves a transitional gap that provides a window for sons of Barbarus to have actually been Dusk Raiders, even if only for a while. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295961-origins-of-typhus/#findComment-3794552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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