Origins of Typhus

[Relict]

I think Khârn was Terran. And Ahriman. By 40k they must be the oldest living human beings in the galaxy. Well sort of human.

 

Do we know what the alien race on barbarous was?

 

They have been described, repeatedly, as necromancers who used the bodies of humans to create endless undead armies. They could not breed - thus did Mortarion's "father" adopt him as a future heir. Mortarion's scythe was the same one wielded by his "father." 

 

They sound like Dark Eldar who sold their souls to Nurgle to me. 

[GhostMalone]

^^^^ hence why nurgle adopted morty

[Slips]

Would explain the DG's near 100% route to Nurgehood.

[GhostMalone]

Exactly nurgle would have been watching barbarus and his children's creations then along came a Demi god right into his lap

[Daemon2027]

Interesting. For Typhus to possibly have some of their blood there must have been, some, inter breading. Not that I am saying Typhus is half eldar, only Ultramarines have half eldars in their ranks ;)

 

I just found it interesting aa in the Alpharius origin stories one mentions human-xeno halfbreeds, and while i dont want to see a lot of half humans running around, it does open some interesting avenues.

[Leif Bearclaw]

Not necessarily. Typhon could have been the result of an overlord's biology/eugenics program. Introducing some overlord genes into humans in an attempt to improve the quality of the slave stock. We know similar sorts of eugenics programs were conducted by planets/on human populations during Old Night, like the world the XVII was purging when they received word of IKstvaan.

[Daemon2027]

Yeah thats a possibility. I think its more likely a superstitious reaction to his powers. Any non normal human dna would have been picked up the apothacaries and you would think that would cause him to be rejected and destroyed.

[Kol Saresk]

Warsmith Erasmus Golg of the Iron Warriors. 

 

The Flight of the Eisenstein described Typhon as Barbaran. However the FW material offer a conflicting account of Typhon being with the XIV Legion before the coming of Mortarion (he once was in training to become an Epistolary of the Legion Librarius, however the coming of Mortarion, with his hatred of witchery, put an end to that). 

 

Personally, I would just chalk it up to history getting hazy in the 10,000 years following the Horus Heresy.

Just noticed this. That is and isn't correct. Massacre keeps up with the Short Story The Lion where Typhon recollects that he was once part of the Librarius, but Massacre also states him being a son of Barbarus under the special rule "Witchblood". This isn't an inconsistency. As mentioend earlier, it is becoming more apparent that with the exception of a few Primarchs, most spent time either with their other brothers or the Emperor before assuming command of their Legions. At the moment, only the Lion(Descent of Angels) and Angron(After De'shea) were directly put in command of their Legions. At the moment.

[lokkorex]

When he was first introduced in the glourious 3,5 codex chaos, he was described as barbarusian, and having some of the necromancers blood in his veins.

 

Isn't it possible that he was a dusk Raider for a very short While between the time he was recruited and mortarion renamed the legion?

 

And When did mortarion disband the librarius? Before or after Nikaea?

[Kol Saresk]

Mortarion disbanded the Librarius before Nikea, but after he took command, the date of which is unknown in relation to his finding(like Alpharius, was there at least twenty-something years after being found but before taking command?) and so logically and plausibly, there is a potential window in which some Barburusians could have been Dusk Raiders and some could have entered the Librarius.

[lokkorex]

Didn't that loyalist death guard on isstvaan 3 get recruited after mortarion was found, join the librarius, only for it to be disbanded shortly after he begun his training?

[The_son_of_Dorn]

Would make for sound reasoning and add weight to as why Typhus was so willing to turn to nurgle, 

 

Born on terra as a psyker, happy using his little powers and serving as the Emperors right arm in the form of the dusk raiders, re uinited with their primarch who hates psykers and tears down his legions command structure and instantly dissolves them of their past glory, learns of the Primarchs necromancer/chaos-y home words ways. Happy to turn on his Primarch ASAP and enact vengeance in the form of the warlord who oppressed him as a child.

 

Better than being a recruit from a world who's blood lines were linked with the gas bag tyrant causing him to turn traitor for 'reasons' 

[Kol Saresk]

Except that it isn't the case. There is nothing that says Typhon is Terran. Even Forgeworld's Massacre says he is from Barbarus and even keeps up with the old fluff that it is possible he was "tainted" with the blood of the xenos warlords who ruled there. Everything points to him being one of the first Barbarusian recruits into the Legion and being early enough he could join the Librarius, be a Dusk Raider, and then pull out and become the First Captain of the Death Guard.

[Daemon2027]

Still works on his turning to Nurgle so readily, especially if said xenos who provided the blood had an association with Papa Nurgle.

 

A proper Death Guard book might help clear this up.

[Kol Saresk]

Exactly. A proper Nurgle connection works better. Especially given the bit in Betrayer where Lorgar tells Erebus "I know you, Kor Phaeron and your old friend Calas Typhon ling to your belief you were enlightened before all others, and are therefore uniquely placed to steer Fate itself." That right there implies Typhon has a background rich in Chaotic influence. We have little to no evidence of Terrans in the Legiones Astartes having that kind of background. Kor Phaeron and Erebus have it because of the Old Faith on Colchis. So it makes logical sense that Typhon, being from Barbarus as pointed out in Massacre and Flight of the Eisenstein in just the current fluff, who is quite possibly either descended from or an experiment of the warlords who were servants of Nurgle, would have a knowledge of the inner workings of that necromancy and already place him in a position to help turn Mortarion, much as how Erebus and Kor Phaeron helped turn Lorgar.

[Piano_Sam]

Wasn't there some fluff, however, where it stated Typhon was inducted into those 'mysteries' by Kor Phaeron some fifty years before the Heresy? It would take some digging but I might could find it, though that's what I recall.

[Kol Saresk]

There is a bit in Massacre where it suggests Erebus helped him down along the road, but it still points to his experiences on Barbarus being what pointed him in that direction.

[Augustus]

Same thing in "the Flight of the Eisenstein" He says Erebus helped him down the path years earlier.

[Relict]

I knew that mustache-twirling whoreson had something to do with it.

 

Explains the horned helmet thing even before he became the host of the Destroyer Hive. I would imagine that Typhon was also one of the, if not the, founding fathers of the warrior lodges in the XIV Legion.