Quixus Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Do banners, either as decorations (Sgt. back banner) or as wargear (chapter/company banner) count as part of the model for LOS purposes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 No. The section on Line of Sight covers this specifically: For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace a straight, unblocked line from its body (the head, torso, arms or legs) to any part of the target’s body. Sometimes, all that will be visible of a model is a weapon, banner or other ornament he is carrying. In these cases, the model is not visible. Similarly, we ignore wings and tails, and antennae even though they are technically part of a model’s body. These rules are intended to ensure that models don’t get penalised for having impressive banners, weaponry, and so on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3793971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon999 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Actually I dont believe even that is quite right anymore. I dont have my BRB handy, but the shooting model doesnt not have to draw LOS from its eyes anymore. Any part of its body can be the origin of your line of sight now (I guess to represent it getting down on its knees, etc). Otherwise, correct. Weapons and banners and such dont count on the target model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3801177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Actually I dont believe even that is quite right anymore. I dont have my BRB handy, but the shooting model doesnt not have to draw LOS from its eyes anymore. Any part of its body can be the origin of your line of sight now (I guess to represent it getting down on its knees, etc). Otherwise, correct. Weapons and banners and such dont count on the target model. Nope, Lucien quoted it right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3801515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 My BRB must be a misprint then. It clearly states that TLOS is no longer from eyes to target, but any part of the shooter's body to the target's body. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3801754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 That's correct, I must have opened the old rulebook by mistake. I've updated my post. It's completely irrelevant to the question of course, which is about the target, not the source. The point was the second half of the quotation, which is identical in the latest edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3801771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Seems a little odd... Not including wings for Los, so big tyranids or daemons will effectively be hidden even though the huge wings are poking out of cover... What if you were against a gargantuan flying creature? I'm pretty sure the wings are a large portion of the model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3802085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If the wings counted for LoS, you'd get people modelling them with the wings folded to make them a smaller target. This way they're the roughly the same size for everyone, and we can all get on with modelling things to look cool instead of for some beardy in-game effect. Models with big wings are generally large targets anyway even without them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295988-targeting-the-banners/#findComment-3802114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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