Exile Noctis Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 We literally cannot defeat him. It is way to hard to kill a 3 wound T4 model that is hit on 6's. Everything against him is BS1 - doesn't mention snap shots at all so we can still use flamer templates. Charge him with a group of Terminator with 2-3 hammers and hope for the best, one wound instantly kills him. He's not impossible to take down but if we're going to expect one of these in the majority of our games, we should cater for him. Besides, throwing in a bunch of hammers on our Terminators have always been the way to go. Only downside to what I've just said is that the Culexus goes first and gets off his armour-evading attacks which would take out 2-3. Dakka him to death with storm bolters out of 12" with prescience? Just remember, we have ways of dealing with him. He is only T4 after all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Pretty sure you did not read the thread up to this point as this has been pointed out (by me) multiple times. It was sarcasm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 A Culexes will shut it all down, without fail. + GOOD + Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Pretty sure you did not read the thread up to this point as this has been pointed out (by me) multiple times. It was sarcasm. Good job Sherlock. Not going to remember every comment that has been made... On topic though, how often are we going to see the Culexus in games? Luckily the guys I play with don't like allying but I can see that changing.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I already played a tau with one.... but I was running psykerless tyranid so no effect. They are coming, first a few and then more will show up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IK Viper Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Most of the powerful armies out there don't rely on powers to function. Not sure how useful this guy will be in the long haul. Necron AV 13, Tau, Imperial Kights, White Scar Bikes, even Eldar Serpant Spam is not Psykic reliant since most things stay in their transports. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sadly, we are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Most of the powerful armies out there don't rely on powers to function. Not sure how useful this guy will be in the long haul. Necron AV 13, Tau, Imperial Kights, White Scar Bikes, even Eldar Serpant Spam is not Psykic reliant since most things stay in their transports. True, but the Culexus still does work against those armies. He still has a decent gun, he's scary as hell in melee (especially as he can challenge enemy characters), and he is very hard to put down due to his Etherium and statline. So even in a tournament 'all comers' build, the Culexus is still worth taking even in the non-psyker matchups. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Or to be used with us. See my two Culexes 13 shot S5, AP1 example above. Who wouldn't want a 13 shot, S5, AP1 gun? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Or to be used with us. See my two Culexes 13 shot S5, AP1 example above. Who wouldn't want a 13 shot, S5, AP1 gun? My friends Riptides ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 :D Oh Hai Riptide, you haz to hit me on a 6? Boo hoo! I haz a 4++ for your Seekers! Seeker = (1/6) * (5/6) * (5/6) * (3/6) = 0.06 /not worried ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I'm actually really happy with the Culexus. They finally make him broken enough to be viable :) he's always been consistently the worst and most matchup-dependent Assassin. Vindy has always done his job, Eversor does what he says in the tin, Callidus same...this is the first version of him i'll ever field in every list forever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 *something about assassins*, they're so kewl. I just wanted to let GL know I cant send him a message. I'm guessing his inbox is full. Fix it dammit! A Mod can delete this I guess, if they want :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Oh Hai Riptide, you haz to hit me on a 6? Boo hoo! I haz a 4++ for your Seekers! Seeker = (1/6) * (5/6) * (5/6) * (3/6) = 0.06 /not worried I think his 72" range S8 pie plate probably doesn't care too much about needing a 6 to hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 with only a -1 to the scatter roll? ;) I just wanted to let GL know I cant send him a message. I'm guessing his inbox is full. Fix it dammit! Whoops! Was full. ;) Culled some old ones now, should have space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 A slightly better than 1/3 chance to hit is better than a 1/6 chance to hit. I'm gonna stick with flammers; if every unit takes an incinerator or 2, take whoever is closest, shoots templates, pot shots storm bolsters, then does not charge, then Wall of Fire when the assassin charges next turn. It's the cheapest and simplest way to get result. With 55% chance of an unsaved wound per auto hit its the best we have in straight numbers. In a perfect world, 2 flamers on your shooting phase will cause 1 wound. If he doesn't charge you, and tries to go after the other units and fails, you do it to him again next turn. If he charged you or anther unit, wall of fire will average 4 more hits, which will average 2 more unsaved wounds. In a perfect world.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 If only I rolled 6's all the time! (or 1's for Ld tests! :P) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3798789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Honestly, the best way to kill him is in melee. They've given him an absurd anti-shooting defence with 'Etherium'. He'll only kill 3-4 models at best in combat, so if you swarm him, you can drag him down with massed attacks. Ironically, chaff are actually his biggest weakness, as they can shrug off his kills easily (as they're cheaper), and massed attacks will break his save and chip away his wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3799685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 That's where strike squads come in! Maybe a few falchions to make up for the lost attacks with the almost certain deaths they'll take first Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3799695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I dont think Grey Knights can do swarm or chaff. Really, who doesn't take advantage of Combat Squads at every opportunity? Every model/unit is elite. Unless you're for some reason running 6 units of 10 strike squads as your normal build, you do not have that capability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3799862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 That's where strike squads come in! Maybe a few falchions to make up for the lost attacks with the almost certain deaths they'll take first With a full squad, that's maybe doable. But its more likely he survives (remember, no 'Hammerhand' or 'Force', because nofunallowed.culexus), and just proceeds to murder them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295997-culuxes-assasin-making-the-psychic-phase-meaningless/page/4/#findComment-3799923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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