Fire Golem Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The idea for this army is that it's part of the Nomad Predation fleet, and I'm gonna have hints that they become the Carcharodons (grey armour, tribal markings, violent tactics, terminators). So here goes: Praetor [175] RoW: Decapitation Strike, Iron Halo, Chameleoline, Archaeotech Pistol, Paragon Blade Moritat-Prime Kaedes Nex [155] 3x Legion Tactical Squad [235] 10 men, Vexilla, additional CCW, Artificer Armour and Power Weapon on sarge, Drop Pod [705] Apothecarion Detatchment [135] 3 Apothecaries Terminator Squad [405] 10 men, Tartaros armour, 2 Chainfists, Reaper Autocannon, Heavy Flamer, Grenade Harness and Ravens Talons on sarge Mor Deythan [585] 10 men, Darkwing Stormeagle with Armoured Ceramite, Artificer Armour and Melta Bombs on sarge, 10 Sniper Rifles Dark Fury [340] 10 men, Ravens Talons and Melta Bombs on sarge 2500points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Only think I'd doubt is the Darkwing since it has a more anti-infantry focused role than say a Storm Eagle than can kinda do AA(both types) and AInf. whereas the Darkwing has a blind bomb. Other than that, looks good. Lots of melta bombs for vehicles in an infantry heavy list, and lots of in-your-face-deal-with-it-NOW! stuff to screen your terminators advance (since they can't DS, only NL and us IF can ) Edit : grammar >_> and spelling.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3796170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 If I swapped the Darkwing for a Storm Eagle, could the Mor Deythan still use it as a transport? Thanks for the reply :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3796201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I think so? I'm not really sure and am at work (yay making me stay later....) and as such don't have my books handy atm :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3796305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Praetor [175] RoW: Decapitation Strike, Iron Halo, Chameleoline, Archaeotech Pistol, Paragon Blade Moritat-Prime Kaedes Nex [155] 3x Legion Tactical Squad [235] 10 men, Vexilla, additional CCW, Artificer Armour and Power Weapon on sarge, Drop Pod [705] Apothecarion Detatchment [135] 3 Apothecaries Terminator Squad [405] 10 men, Tartaros armour, 2 Chainfists, Reaper Autocannon, Grenade Harness and Ravens Talons on sarge Mor Deythan [290] 10 men, Artificer Armour and Melta Bombs on sarge, 10 Sniper Rifles Dark Fury [340] 10 men, Ravens Talons and Melta Bombs on sarge Javelin Attack Speeder [75] Fire Raptor [230] Reaper Autocannon Battery, Armoured Ceramite 2500 points. Look any better? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3796720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Yeah looks good. RG low body-count elite infiltration team. Though did you consider Alvarex Maun? *page 279 in exterminationn* His Strato-Vox is beastly being an 18" no scatter for DS + Benefits means that if you can keep him alive, and bring him withing ~18" of your opponent, Deepstrike EVERYTHING (unless he has AUgury Scanners) that you can in his face with no fear of a mishap and the like. He also lets you re-roll failed Drop Pod and Flyer Reserve roll. +the Bleeding Edge might make the Darkwing as a dedi Transport a better option since with Maun attached, it won't have to roll for reserves to see if it comes in. That or let him start on the table to re-roll seize for potential alpha strike goodness. He's also a Master of the Legion so can take a RoW. Honestly, this list and the other one are both good and are easily interchangeable depending on what you think you'll be facing : Armor heavy, bring the Fire Raptor. Troop Heavy? Bring the Darkwing. Alvarex Maun (imo) will only help make these lists perform better so I don't see why he shouldn't be included. Though beware; with AA + PW he still isn't a beatstick. He is a Preator-Master of Signal Hybrid. So, thankfully for you, there are no barrage weapons in your list but a lot of Deep Strikeability. So make sure you get everything on the board before you go HAM with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3797056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 So...I got...Inspired.. To build an Air Force Raven Guard List. Its 2500, but the main restriction would be the $$$ for all those Fire Raptors / Storm Eagles. RoW : Angel's Wrath HQ: -Strike Captain Alvarex Maun; Cameleoline, Infravisor, 150pts Troops: -Legion Tactical Squad (10)x2; Artificer Armor, Vexilla, Power Weapon, 195pts -Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship (2x); Armored Ceramite, Searchlight, 231pts. Elites: -Mor Deythan Strike Squad (10); Artificer Armor, 9x Combi-Weapon (plasma), Melta Bombs, Plasma Gun, 624pts total -Darkwing Storm Eagle; Armored Ceramite, Extra Armor, Searchlight Fast Attack: -Dark Fury Assault Squad (10); Melta Bombs, 10x Pair of Raven's Talons, 420pts. Heavy Support: -Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (2x); Armored Ceramite, Reaper Autocannon Battery, Searchlight, 231pts each, total 693pts. Total : 2498. This list has so many hard hitting flyers its essential a cheesey but fluffy list that almost everyone will hate to play against if they don't have adequate Anti-Air. Though this list might also fall flat on its face if reserve rolls go poorly or turn 1 goes horribly bad. Edit; Made the list Legal and chose Angels Wrath as RoW... Now it has 5 Storm Eagle Variants in the list...I squeezed one more in...somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3797122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Thanks for your help Slipstreams :) I adjusted the list to fit Alvarex Maun in: Strike Captain Alvarex Maun [145] Chameleoline, Decapitation Strike RoW Moritat-Prime Kaedes Nex [155] 3x Legion Tactical Squad [235] 10 men, Vexilla, additional CCW, Artificer Armour and Power Weapon on sarge, Drop Pod [705] Apothecarion Detatchment [135] 3 Apothecaries Terminator Squad [405] 10 men, Tartaros armour, 2 Chainfists, Reaper Autocannon, Grenade Harness and Ravens Talons on sarge Mor Deythan [290] 10 men, Artificer Armour and Melta Bombs on sarge, 10 Sniper Rifles Dark Fury [340] 10 men, Ravens Talons and Melta Bombs on sarge Javelin Attack Speeder [85] Twin Linked Lascannon Fire Raptor [250] Reaper Autocannon Battery, Armoured Ceramite, Hellstrike Missiles 2500 points. Look any better? I also like your Air Force list, but paying that much on the aircraft... I'll leave that to you ;) thanks again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3797172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Hahaha! Anytime Fire Golem, glad to be of assistance. For the list itself, it looks just as good as before. The 3 versions you have could all be used equally depending on your mood, really. All that Maun did to the list was make it a tad more reliable / efficient as well as give you some free points (since he costs less than that preator you had) to make the other units better. As for the Air Force list, I'll call it "Raven Force One"...and it might happen down the line...just...*looks at charred wallet remains*..as soon as I'd like Edit; HOOO BOY just noticed, I can only take Pods If I'm using Decap Strike, which leaves me with 1 HS slot for Fire Raptors...time to edit that post and rectify Fixed it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3797423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 The idea for this army is that it's part of the Nomad Predation fleet, and I'm gonna have hints that they become the Carcharodons (grey armour, tribal markings, violent tactics, terminators). I had the very same :) I suggest maybe you give up on Mor Deytans and stick to more brutal technicians Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3797614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 The idea for this army is that it's part of the Nomad Predation fleet, and I'm gonna have hints that they become the Carcharodons (grey armour, tribal markings, violent tactics, terminators). I had the very same :) I suggest maybe you give up on Mor Deytans and stick to more brutal technicians I love the idea of the Mor Deythan though, and I'd like to keep some of the stealth/guerrilla warfare aspect :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I am still not sure about them and maybe they are really the units you "should" give up. Dark furies on the contrary make up really good for those remorsless ambush and assault units that made the RG so precious to the Warmaster ;) Pls I'm just speculating here, since we had the same idea I don't want to "blame you" for using them. On the opposite I think termies are a good choice that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I mean, c'mon, infiltrating terminators? whats not to love? That said, consider Mor Deythan as a more versatile and better specialised sternguard / Seeker or recon marines. The Dark Furies being focused Vanguard Vets with all LC or Raptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Terminators don't get Infiltrate do they? I have terminators in my list already though so I don't need to swap the Mor Deythan for them ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 I have just realised though that with the squads at 10 in the pods they can't have the Apothecaries with them, is it worth dropping the apothecaries or one legionnaire from each squad? Guessing the latter... Wait...10 is the minimum isn't it? So I can't use the apothecaries... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 cant go below 10 brother. And..I might have to reread the entry for RG just to make sure that Terminators can/cannot infiltrate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I tend to see Apothecaries overestimated. If you have points to give away, sure but otherwise I prefer going for models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Hm I'll drop the apothecaries then and find something else to fit in there. And Slipstreams, Terminators get Furious Assault instead of Infiltrate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Hmm.. alright makes sense, Infil Termies..would be ridiculous and well..impossible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Thing is I think the AL can get it if they choose Infiltrate as their special rule -.- if anyone can do it, it should be the RG... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Well...the alpha legion are the sneakiest sneaky gits out there so...not surprising. Though, yeah RG should be able to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Ah well eh? Dunno what to swap those apothecaries for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 how many apothecaries? 2? thats a base of 90 points saved? at most ~130...so really I wouldn't know...maybe more Terminators? They're base 30 with a Power Weapon and Combi-bolter. The rest of your squads are maxed out so that seems like the only thing. Maybe 1-2 rapier batteries? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 There's 3 so 135 points extra. Reckon I could squeeze a Contemptor in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 hmm not really, you'd have to cut more out in terms of upgrades to fit one in. Maybe Primus Medicae Consul in Terminator armor for your Terminator squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296098-2500pt-raven-guard/#findComment-3799396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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