Zhukov Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 So, as some of you might know, one of the biggest and most competitive 40k tournaments has finished and this is the list finished 10th overall, by Justin Adams: http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/10th-Overall-Justin-Adams-Nova-Open-2014.pdf Typhus 230 Khârn 160 20 zombies 90 21 zombies 94 3 Termies; 2x combie 112 Heldrake 170 Heldrake 170 2 Obliterators 152 2 Obliterators 152 Daemon Prince; MoN, Wings, lvl 3, 2x greater, 1x lesser 3 Nurglings 45 Soul Grinder; MoS Total: 1850 Impressive to have placed 10th with it and I think it deserves some attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Thanks for this. Aside from Nurglings, that is pretty much the goto units.... he uses termicide in the same set up I prefer. Personally, I have never got into zombies, but I understand the appeal. 10th is really respectable for sure. I'd like to know how their scenarios were this year. (considering how 7th has changed things a bit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Where does Khârn go? I'm amazed at tenth for this, what's it do vs knights? Vs serpents? The mission packet is at http://missioncatalog.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Khârn probably goes with the zombies, which are unmarked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Drake Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Justin Adams must be one hell of a general. Congrats to him getting 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Khârn probably goes with the zombies, which are unmarked. I suppose that makes for a strong unit to defend your side of the table, but seems painfully slow for a delivery system.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 ah man I just figured it out, the nurglings allow fill the legal force org requirements. I wonder if they'd go back to just using regular force orgs. I'm imagining winning armies will just be 'the best models I own' vs 'the best models you own'. Let's say we're trying to replicate this using just the Chaos Codex. Could we have done as well? Better/Worse? Could we have been more creative? Do the cultists have to be zombies? That would free up Typhus. You do the helcult formation, take a shooty dread, hide him behind fearless/zealot cultists. I give them upgraded guns to get the 24" / Rapid fire so that's one advantage. The price you save on Typhus could be cycled back into something else (approx 100 pts saved). Soul Grinder is actually nice (i've used it some times as an allied unit), I guess you could go with Nurgle Spawn instead of some of the daemons.... maybe even a second termicide squad in with points saved. Khârn and a Nurgle DP would lead the charge. I'm not sure how/if it would still work but those are the most obvious changes to make it pure Chaos to me (just off the top of my head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 As I read the codex without the faq, there's a may in the paragraph about taking zombies. Of course, there's little reason to take Typhus without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraneceusRex Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 My biggest question is why Khârn specifically? He could have gone with a Juggerlord with an Axe and a 5++ for the same points. Was he wanting to guarantee Hatred on the Zombies Khârn was running with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 My biggest question is why Khârn specifically? He could have gone with a Juggerlord with an Axe and a 5++ for the same points. Was he wanting to guarantee Hatred on the Zombies Khârn was running with? Axelord is faster, tougher and could have more Attacks but Khârn hits on 2+ and has Armorbane - and if he's going to be with the Zombies anyway for ablative then why not? Edit - spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 My biggest question is why Khârn specifically? He could have gone with a Juggerlord with an Axe and a 5++ for the same points. Was he wanting to guarantee Hatred on the Zombies Khârn was running with? Axelord is faster, tougher and could have more Attacks but Khârn hits on 2+ and has Armorbane - and if he's going to be with the Zombies anyway for ablative then why not? Edit - spelling He also has amazing anti-psyker? I guess you could add that to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 My biggest question is why Khârn specifically? He could have gone with a Juggerlord with an Axe and a 5++ for the same points. Was he wanting to guarantee Hatred on the Zombies Khârn was running with? Axelord is faster, tougher and could have more Attacks but Khârn hits on 2+ and has Armorbane - and if he's going to be with the Zombies anyway for ablative then why not? Edit - spelling He also has amazing anti-psyker? I guess you could add that to the list. And perhaps without Codex Assassin's, it may have been worthwhile. Might be nice to get him to explain how he did it mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Khârn is pretty logical and a character I would definitely include in Chaos Primary at the moment. Unless I'm mistaken he still hits invisible units on a 2+, he can actually kill Knights (especially ones which already lost a hullpoint or 2) and only costs 160 points for that. Nothing else in the game actually has such killing power for that cost. You just put him in a blob and wander him forwards, this could also be a Cultist blob btw, doesn't have to be zombies. Psychic power protection doesn't really matter, it only helps against things casted against him or his unit after all. Typhus is a bit weird, I'd almost rather run regular cultists blobs and then include Abaddon instead lol. Typhus did get a lot better in 7th with the change to smash but, meh, dunno, I really find it a suboptimal choice although it apparantly works for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 If FW is tourney legal, what about the other zombie making dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 ^Fw wasn't allowed at nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I'm asking in the vacuum of generality if it was allowed, would he be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Zhukov you have summarized why I run Khârn, good going sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 What were the match ups pre top 16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 If FW is tourney legal, what about the other zombie making dude?Necrosis? I'm lobgvtime Vraks fan so I take him, he's good enough and cheaper then typhus but has other problems too.Good result BTW! Thanks for showingbus Zhukov Edit auto corrected Vraks to Badab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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