tiberius183 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Ok, I have to ask, with how cheap Librarians are now, and with how fantastic they are in a support role, what's the point of taking any other HQ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Culexus assassins running about yelling "all your warp are belonh to us!" As well as he is reliant all on pyskingness. Spells are not a gurantee. One chink at the wrong time and no more libby Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3798999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Psycannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 3W with the Relic TDA. Sterns auto Shrouding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Most of us are probably going to take at least one in most builds, but you really want an assualt HQ also. Thats when either a GM or Stern are put in. I have a list with 2 Libbys in it but as of right now my meta doesnt have much anti-psyker or any of the scary assassians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercus Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I've no interest in relying on psychic powers to win games. If I wanted to play with wizards I'd buy Hogwarts 40,000. I like running stuff over in tanks and shooting aliens. If this means my armies cease to be competitive, then I guess rather than all-conquering hard-cases my boys will have to be Lamenters-esque tragic heroes, forever thwarted in their efforts to defend the imperium. Hogwarts 40,000: in the grim darkness of the far future there is only quidditch.... Shudder Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I've no interest in relying on psychic powers to win games. If I wanted to play with wizards I'd buy Hogwarts 40,000. I like running stuff over in tanks and shooting aliens. If this means my armies cease to be competitive, then I guess rather than all-conquering hard-cases my boys will have to be Lamenters-esque tragic heroes, forever thwarted in their efforts to defend the imperium. Hogwarts 40,000: in the grim darkness of the far future there is only quidditch.... Shudder I'll let you in on a secret: All Grey Knights are Psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I prefer to have my characters punch people in the nuts rather than psychic-punch them in the nuts.As an aside, I always think these questions are a bit odd. I mean, I get what you're meaning (I think) as it's the best "competitive" choice, but personal preferences and styles etc always weigh in heavily too.NOTE: Not directing this AT you, Tiberius, just more of a general comment that's loosely linked to the subject. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I've no interest in relying on psychic powers to win games. If I wanted to play with wizards I'd buy Hogwarts 40,000. I like running stuff over in tanks and shooting aliens. If this means my armies cease to be competitive, then I guess rather than all-conquering hard-cases my boys will have to be Lamenters-esque tragic heroes, forever thwarted in their efforts to defend the imperium. Hogwarts 40,000: in the grim darkness of the far future there is only quidditch.... Shudder I can pulp your flesh and snap your bones in less than a second and without so much as lifting a finger. What is the power of technology compared to that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercus Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I've no interest in relying on psychic powers to win games. If I wanted to play with wizards I'd buy Hogwarts 40,000.I like running stuff over in tanks and shooting aliens. If this means my armies cease to be competitive, then I guess rather than all-conquering hard-cases my boys will have to be Lamenters-esque tragic heroes, forever thwarted in their efforts to defend the imperium.Hogwarts 40,000: in the grim darkness of the far future there is only quidditch.... ShudderI'll let you in on a secret: All Grey Knights are Psykers. I know they're all psykers, but that doesn't mean you have to cast anything with them. You can just use powers that buff your squads and tell yourself that they're simply manifesting innate abilities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I've no interest in relying on psychic powers to win games. If I wanted to play with wizards I'd buy Hogwarts 40,000. I like running stuff over in tanks and shooting aliens. If this means my armies cease to be competitive, then I guess rather than all-conquering hard-cases my boys will have to be Lamenters-esque tragic heroes, forever thwarted in their efforts to defend the imperium. Hogwarts 40,000: in the grim darkness of the far future there is only quidditch.... Shudder Wut? Grey Knights are literally the closest thing to Space Hogwarts. They're all wizards, and train at a space wizard academy. I mean, if you don't want to play space wizards you've literally made the worst possible army choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I dunno, Eldar do have the attire for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I dunno, Eldar do have the attire for it. They're the 40k equivalent of Beauxbatons Academy of Magic..... so so pretty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Does that make chaos daemons the durmstrung institute ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiberius183 Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 I prefer to have my characters punch people in the nuts rather than psychic-punch them in the nuts. As an aside, I always think these questions are a bit odd. I mean, I get what you're meaning (I think) as it's the best "competitive" choice, but personal preferences and styles etc always weigh in heavily too. NOTE: Not directing this AT you, Tiberius, just more of a general comment that's loosely linked to the subject. No offense taken. In fact, I apologize. My neck of the woods is highly competitive, so min-maxing is a way of life up here, sorry to say, so sometimes all I see are numbers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercus Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I've no interest in relying on psychic powers to win games. If I wanted to play with wizards I'd buy Hogwarts 40,000. I like running stuff over in tanks and shooting aliens. If this means my armies cease to be competitive, then I guess rather than all-conquering hard-cases my boys will have to be Lamenters-esque tragic heroes, forever thwarted in their efforts to defend the imperium. Hogwarts 40,000: in the grim darkness of the far future there is only quidditch.... Shudder Wut? Grey Knights are literally the closest thing to Space Hogwarts. They're all wizards, and train at a space wizard academy. I mean, if you don't want to play space wizards you've literally made the worst possible army choice. To be honest, I only run a squad of paladins alongside my other marine armies if I'm up against a daemon heavy force. I much preferred the grey knights back in the old days where they were an super-elite emergency force of last resort. The idea of a whole army of them still feels a little uncomfortable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 A full strike force composed entirely of Grey Knights is unusual, but so a full strike force of Space Marines. According to fluff it only takes one squad of Space Marines to quell a planet of any horrors. Grey Knights are no exception and are allegedly more numerous than a SM chapter so could gather in greater numbers more frequently than any one chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 To be honest, I only run a squad of paladins alongside my other marine armies if I'm up against a daemon heavy force. I much preferred the grey knights back in the old days where they were an super-elite emergency force of last resort. The idea of a whole army of them still feels a little uncomfortable. They were always a Chapter, so.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 And back in the day we weren't lmited to the silly 10 companies of 100 Marines each that the lesser chapters, like the Ultramarines were. Oh, for the good ol' days! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 And back in the day we weren't lmited to the silly 10 companies of 100 Marines each that the lesser chapters, like the Ultramarines were. Oh, for the good ol' days! Knights still aren't limited. They've never followed the Codex, although I'm sure they respect its tactical and strategic insights. The Chapter follows the organisation of 8 Grandmasters, because that's how it was founded and intended to work. I've explained in other threads why even 1000 Knights existing is a miracle of sorts, given how rare the human psyker males are that ever survive the initiation and training required. Legions of Knights would be beyond any logical explanation, not to mention impossible to suppress knowledge of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 What were the numbers given in the old Codex? How many Initiates Malcador took to Titan before it wnet into the Warp, and how mant returned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 What were the numbers given in the old Codex? How many Initiates Malcador took to Titan before it wnet into the Warp, and how mant returned? According to the old Codex Malcador entered with 8 Space marines and hundreds and hundreds of untrained recruits and emerged with a full compliment of 1000 fully trained battle brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3799974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ah yes, the Ward fluff that made us Chapter Sized. Hundred upon Hundred to make 1000 is a small amount. How many Psykers are Sacrificed to the Emperor Daily? I'm sure there are enough potential psychic recuits for the GK to have many more than 1000 Marines... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3800017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Closer to hundred thousand. The old fluff says 1 in a ten thousand go to titan one in a mil actually survive. But imperium has roughly 100 trillion people. So despite the odds, still not too bad compared to the trillions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3800161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I prefer to have my characters punch people in the nuts rather than psychic-punch them in the nuts. As an aside, I always think these questions are a bit odd. I mean, I get what you're meaning (I think) as it's the best "competitive" choice, but personal preferences and styles etc always weigh in heavily too. NOTE: Not directing this AT you, Tiberius, just more of a general comment that's loosely linked to the subject. No offense taken. In fact, I apologize. My neck of the woods is highly competitive, so min-maxing is a way of life up here, sorry to say, so sometimes all I see are numbers... Oh mate, no need to apologise, I know everyone's different and works differently hobby-wise :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296230-librarians-why-take-anything-else/#findComment-3800266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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