Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 If you're asking if; HQ: Libby ML3 or BC with Relic Troop: GKT Fast: Interceptor Heavy: NDK (as many as you can afford) Possibly with; LoW: Draigo Fast: Stormraven Is the way to go / will work / is competitive / is fluffy / how does it look? Yes to all of those. It's literally the only way to build a GK list. Whatever you do with your allies, you really won't be deviating from this (too much). I dread going to the GK Army List subforum these days. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Noctis Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 May as well change it to a redirected sticky post. "If your list isn't the same as we have mentioned, don't bother posting it." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Or even, "If you list is the same, don't bother asking". ;) RD? Sticky? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 One list to rule them all... Yeah, my feeling is that we're going to have real trouble being competitive with other lists BUT we'll take flak for using the "powerbuild" (all things being relative). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 OMG!! You're one of 'them'!! NSF detachment, Libby, 1 Troop of Terminators, 2 Interceptors with Incinerators and 2 NDK. You Beardy Cheese Monger! Hang your head in shame! But... There's literally nothing else we can do... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Stormraven may change the FA slot up a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 OMG!! You're one of 'them'!! NSF detachment, Libby, 1 Troop of Terminators, 2 Interceptors with Incinerators and 2 NDK. You Beardy Cheese Monger! Hang your head in shame! But... There's literally nothing else we can do... It depends on where you are playing. If you are at a GT then that is not nearly enough cheese. At your FLGS you might want to get out the Purifier squads etc. Not everybody needs to play 'Ard Boyz all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purifying Tempest Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 If you're asking if; HQ: Libby ML3 or BC with Relic Troop: GKT Fast: Interceptor Heavy: NDK (as many as you can afford) Possibly with; LoW: Draigo Is the way to go / will work / is competitive / is fluffy / how does it look? Yes to all of those. It's literally the only way to build a GK list. Whatever you do with your allies, you really won't be deviating from this (too much). I dread going to the GK Army List subforum these days. Look at it this way: that's like half the units from our codex... that's army diversity right there. Who else (other than Sororitas and Inquisition) use HALF their codex in 1 list? Gosh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Look at the good news story...much less to buy and build (and paint!), when you don't have tons of options to chose from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Yeah, my wife was happy about the new codex :) Until she saw the bill for homebrewing, wet shaving and juggling stuff come in :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 It lacks diversity but honestly what "competitive" attempt doesn't? That's the issue with cherry picking the most efficient choices. It's easy and predictable but it's always the starting point, and some enjoy it. At least it's not the same as the previous gk elements I faced. They were only a supplement to parent cads and honestly no more diverse than the above. The omni present coteaz, psystrike missile raven, couple psybacks + 3 henchmen etc. Now at least that requires more CAD to pull off which might give gk an identity back. Currently people are taking the stand out choices, it's always that way same for the new space wolves and twc. As time goes on and people delve the codex a little more thoroughly some innovation will take place and lists will diversify, especially if supplements are released and/or allied detachments are explored.. but the competitive scene will largely remain the top 5% of selections repeated ad nauseam. It's the nature of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Well, I was speaking with a friend that plays SW and he seems to be happy to play a variety of armies, all more or less competitive. I also started Tau a few months ago, and while Riptides are good, I don't feel like I have to take to take one (suits can do the job). GKs that differ dramatically from the above list (eg all PAGK lists) won't be able to present much of a challenge, I think... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Well, I was speaking with a friend that plays SW and he seems to be happy to play a variety of armies, all more or less competitive. I also started Tau a few months ago, and while Riptides are good, I don't feel like I have to take to take one (suits can do the job). GKs that differ dramatically from the above list (eg all PAGK lists) won't be able to present much of a challenge, I think... Excepted! Will work on one after work tonight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Don't get me wrong, the dex is bland and smacks of cruddaces work with an additional fu to ward thrown in. I just think it's not quite as bad as it appears atm. Wolves are fine even though there are plenty of pissed of sw fans that say otherwise. Gk got it worse but flexibility exists in deployment and psych phases more so than foc. Pure armies are getting the axe since Gw is in their simplifying cycle again but with wide open allied rules and IMO the best core rules in many editions it's not all doom and gloom. Tldr it's a system wide reboot. The dust needs to settle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Wolves got a great codex. Thunderwolves are now arguably underpriced, Long Fangs no longer need a Leadership test to split fire, Grey Hunters are still better than Tac Marines...I mean they even got NEW UNITS THAT DON'T SUCK. I'd kill for an update like Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I'd kill for an update like Space Wolves. Ward. Then we'll talk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 What are you talking about? Read the nemesis stave entry, you got 'Ward' as a special rule. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 So, sticky? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 What are you talking about? Read the nemesis stave entry, you got 'Ward' as a special rule. I thought you wanted names for your whack list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 So, sticky? Nah, I think we've got enough stickies as is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 Boo. :( Sticky in the Army List subforum? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3799957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Well, I was speaking with a friend that plays SW and he seems to be happy to play a variety of armies, all more or less competitive. I also started Tau a few months ago, and while Riptides are good, I don't feel like I have to take to take one (suits can do the job). GKs that differ dramatically from the above list (eg all PAGK lists) won't be able to present much of a challenge, I think... Excepted! Will work on one after work tonight. Here you go, no NDKs or Terminators http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296279-2000-points-no-terms-or-ndks-cad/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3800396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Space Wolves got a great codex. Thunderwolves are now arguably underpriced, Long Fangs no longer need a Leadership test to split fire, Grey Hunters are still better than Tac Marines...I mean they even got NEW UNITS THAT DON'T SUCK. I'd kill for an update like Space Wolves. Long fangs never needed a leadership check to split fire, as they never had split fire. They had a better version that let any number fire at a separate target. From what I understand, they got worse as they now pay standard maybe prices for weapons instead of their previously discounted prices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3800437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 That is correct, IJ, Long Fangs took a bit of a hit with the latest SW codex, but they were "no-brainer" choices in the 5e codex, so it was to be expected. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3800461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Long fangs never needed a leadership check to split fire, as they never had split fire. They had a better version that let any number fire at a separate target. From what I understand, they got worse as they now pay standard maybe prices for weapons instead of their previously discounted prices. Well whatever, they get the new USR, which is the same as their old rule. Also, paying reasonable prices for their missile or lascannon spam hasn't stopped people taking them at all. They're still better Devastators, and they're in a faction with ample access to Divination to ensure they hit. I mean seriously, what else are you taking in Heavy Support? Also, they're mega-fluffy, so no one can complain about their presence in a normal Space Wolf list. And they're balanced by being a PA unit that likes to stick in the open aka Riptide/Heldrake first priority target. I wouldn't mind paying 15pts a psycannon, if Purgators had any special rules that mattered, or could fire them at 24" on the move. Between Salvo, Night Vision, and their extremely stiff competition from Dreadknights (who were already a better choice last edition, nevermind with a price reduction and their gun options improving)...the hell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296233-grey-knight-army-list-similarity/#findComment-3800613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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