EnterRehab Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Is the combi for a librarian worth it or would you be more inclined to take the storm bolter? As for the PML3: if i took staff.. he'd get 3++ to Deny the witch.. or so it says on the primer thread. How is this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yes is 3+ because +1 for being better psyker, ml3 vs ml2 or ml1 of opponent. +1 for being psyker +1 for adamantium will given by the staff that's 3+ I personally prefeer the staff, most of the time, Librarian will go with enough CC brothers.. so this will grant extra protection to him and 12" bubble (because of his hood) to nearby allies against enemy psiquic powers. The staff also confeers +2 S, so it will attack at S6. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3801104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 sweet.. now what about the combi-melta? is that worth taking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3801130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Depends. Its not critical, and it only works once per game. However, if you have 10pts spare, its not a bad little boost to his firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3802416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Personally, i like to keep the Librarians as cheap as possible, they are support Hq, so no need to expend too much on them (They'll never be alone) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (They'll never walk alone)I fixed it for you. If you have no idea what I'm on about you're not from England Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Personally i'd just run storm bolters because its only 5 pts and gives him some shooty.. why waste the shooting phase on him if he's running with terminators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Personally i'd just run storm bolters because its only 5 pts and gives him some shooty.. why waste the shooting phase on him if he's running with terminators? Meh, I can think of better 5pt upgrades elsewhere. His strength is his Mastery 3, his shooting is usually meaningless outside of a combi-melta shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Personally i'd just run storm bolters because its only 5 pts and gives him some shooty.. why waste the shooting phase on him if he's running with terminators? Meh, I can think of better 5pt upgrades elsewhere. His strength is his Mastery 3, his shooting is usually meaningless outside of a combi-melta shot. But that's like saying terminators shouldn't bother shooting, either.. it's a free 2 shots isn't it? 5 more points for a 1 shot melta + bolter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Obviously I'd rather that 5pts to go towards a a hammer upgrade or melta bombs or something somewhere else in the army, but if I still had it spare, I'd definitely give him a storm bolter. I mean why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 If you have 5pts spare, I'd consider giving an incinerator to a squad, or some other useful upgrade. 2 bolter shots is not going to matter too much in the long run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 If you have 5pts spare, I'd consider giving an incinerator to a squad, or some other useful upgrade. 2 bolter shots is not going to matter too much in the long run. Right! put an extra incinerator on your Purifier squad... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Haha nah, they generally don't need one. Give one to your mandatory Strike tax ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Haha nah, they generally don't need one. Give one to your mandatory Strike tax Indeed Well, in my case... i always do that... and teleport them on first turn... i prefeer this over the interceptor squad... they will die anyway... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I've been rolling with ml3 ndh and usually liber daemonica. While not necessary depending on your list I think it's too good not to include. I also make him the warlord rerolling for results 4 or 6. 4-5 rolls on sanctic is godlike. So far I've always got vortex, cleansing flame and gate. Taking this setup is essentially like considering him a purifier unit and a gate delivery system. 3 rolls just isn't in the same league. Once I get these powers if I have rolls left I try for invis defaulting to shriek. One time I also even picked up prescience. I can't think of another psyker that nasty for his cost honestly. The biggest problem is killing himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3803966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I have a question about the liber daemonica... it says that gives you an extra psyquic power... from santic... but... if i choose all my 3 regular psyquic powers... from one different discipline... do i get the primaris for free? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3804004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Unfortunately no, because you lose psychic focus. That's also why I make the libby my warlord. Not that banishment is even a consideration outside of daemon matches. If your rolling primarily on telepathy or divination then I wouldn't recommend the liber. IMO sanctic is insanely good with 4 rolls though. Divination I leave to GMs and inquisitors. I'm actually not that sold on invis for gk. With so few units and lack of a good deathstar build it just makes target priority easier for your opponent. I like it on my beasts although it's pretty unfair, but gk not so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3804067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Well, in my case... i always do that... and teleport them on first turn... i prefeer this over the interceptor squad... they will die anyway... Yeah I'm feeling more and more that min Strikes is better than investing in Terminators, who will get cremated by AP2 anyway. It drops your investment in Troops by half, freeing up points for better stuff like Purifiers or Dreadknights. I've been rolling with ml3 ndh and usually liber daemonica. While not necessary depending on your list I think it's too good not to include. I also make him the warlord rerolling for results 4 or 6. 4-5 rolls on sanctic is godlike. So far I've always got vortex, cleansing flame and gate. Taking this setup is essentially like considering him a purifier unit and a gate delivery system. 3 rolls just isn't in the same league. Once I get these powers if I have rolls left I try for invis defaulting to shriek. One time I also even picked up prescience. I can't think of another psyker that nasty for his cost honestly. The biggest problem is killing himself. The thing is, we already have so many of the Sanctic powers by default, I feel its better going for Telepathy or Divination completely, rather than mixing powers. 'Gate' is amazing but its a random roll, whereas Telepathy and Divination both have solid Primaris powers to fall back on (and for free) if your random powers are worthless. I'm actually not that sold on invis for gk. With so few units and lack of a good deathstar build it just makes target priority easier for your opponent. I like it on my beasts although it's pretty unfair, but gk not so much. It's solid gold defensive tech though. Put 'Invis' on a Dreadknight and watch them sweat. Or, if you are so inclined, put up 'Invis' after a Turn 1 Deepstrike of a full Terminator unit into enemy lines. Watch them really cry, as their AP2 misses horribly and even massed firepower barely kills anyone. Snap Shooting also means no templates or blasts can touch you, which is amazing for Purifiers (no Heldrake can touch them). I'd rather have 'Invis' than not have it, it's broken and really the only power besides 'Shrouding' from that Discipline that I use regularly (usually out of range for 'Psychic Shriek', and its very random). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3804339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I really don't mix and match. I take sanctic until I get cleansing flame/vortex and gate or have exhausted my rolls. Then if I have rolls left I try for invis if not I take the primaris. Makes the libby pretty killy and mobile. If I could build build a decent star with cheap support left over I might try harder for invisibility. DKs probably being the exception. Invisible grinders and fmc's are pretty scary so I'm sure knights would be too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3804356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I really don't mix and match. I take sanctic until I get cleansing flame/vortex and gate or have exhausted my rolls. Then if I have rolls left I try for invis if not I take the primaris. Makes the libby pretty killy and mobile. If I could build build a decent star with cheap support left over I might try harder for invisibility. DKs probably being the exception. Invisible grinders and fmc's are pretty scary so I'm sure knights would be too. I've tried going different Disciplines before, and I just find you end up compromising the psyker, especially now with Psychic Focus on offer. I have been leaning away from Telepathy of late, due to my rotten luck of rolling the useless trash powers instead of the defensive tech. Divination is solid all the way through, putting 'Forewarning' on a Dreadknight guarantees rage from opponents, 'Perfect Timing' helps psycannon get through Jink saves on skimmers and such, 'Precognition' is situationally amazing etc. Not to mention the most useful Primaris in the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3804542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Recently, I've really been liking the cuirass of sacrifice on mine. The FNP I'd useful against perils, and IWND if useful for regenerating the wound that got through the FNP. Granted, it's not mandatory, but it's nice if I have 15pts laying around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3817690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Recently, I've really been liking the cuirass of sacrifice on mine. The FNP I'd useful against perils, and IWND if useful for regenerating the wound that got through the FNP. Granted, it's not mandatory, but it's nice if I have 15pts laying around. Huh, nice catch. You can indeed 'FNP' Perils wounds. That makes the Cuirass pretty solid then. If only Libbys had 3 wounds... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3818361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I think it's stupid how we're a psyker army and don't have a named librarian.. Or 2....or 10! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3818472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It's cringe worthy to be sure. Hold out hope that some sort of campaign or army supplement shows up to add a named libby or Thawn and Mordrak back with appropriate plastics kits since we are incapable of making them on our own. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3818700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 We should have a Chief Librarian :( more than any other Chapter it would fit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296319-loadouts-for-a-librarian/#findComment-3818949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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