Fire Golem Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 So having (finally!) settled on my legion, this is the start of my pre heresy Raven Guard army. I'm going to do them as part of the Nomad Predation fleet, so this is exploring the more brutal and dark side of the RG, but I also want to keep true to the stealth/guerrilla roots. I'm also planning to paint some with a more grey armour and tribal markings, to explore the link to the Carcharodons, who are my favourite 40k chapter. My first purchase was; 5 each of Mks II, IV, V and VI (4 and 6 for the more traditional RG and 2 and 5 for the more brutal Nomad Predation aspect), 10 Umbra and 10 Tigrus bolters, And Tyberos the Red Wake, who I'm going to convert into a Primus Medicae to go with my Terminator squad. I ordered this stuff this morning, hopefully it'll arrive soon! Thought I'd start the thread now though :) partly so you guys see this and make sure I stick to the Raven Guard! In terms of the 'Carcharodon' stuff, all my tactical marines will have extra CCW to show the brutal aspect, and I'm going to use terminators in my army which RG generally don't use. But I also have a squad of Mor Deythan and the two independent characters from Massacre in my list. Here is my army list for those interested: Nomad Predation Raven Guard (2500pts) * Legion Centurion (135pts) Raven's Talon, Terminator Armour, Primus Medicae * Moritat-Prime Kaedes Nex (155pts) * Strike Captain Alvarex Maun (140pts) Decapitation Strike * Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) 10 Men Legion Drop Pod, Legion Vexilla, additional CCW Artificer Armour, Power Weapon on Sergeant * Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) 10 Men Legion Drop Pod, Legion Vexilla, additional CCW Artificer Armour, Power Weapon on Sergeant * Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) 10 Men Legion Drop Pod, Legion Vexilla, additional CCW Artificer Armour, Power Weapon on Sergeant * Legion Terminator Squad (365pts) 10 Men, Reaper Autocannon, Tartaros Armour Pair of Raven's Talons on Sergeant * Mor Deythan Strike Squad (590pts) 10 Men, 10x Combi-weapon * Darkwing Storm Eagle Armoured Ceramite * Dark Fury Assault Squad (325pts) 10 Men * Legion Javelin Attack Speeder (85pts) Twin-linked Lascannon I'm also gonna work on some fluff to include the Nomad Predation and normal RG, I was thinking something like Corax called back the Nomad Predation fleets in preparation for Istvaan and mine is one that answered the call, and kinda rejoined the legion when Corax realised the enemy they were up against in the aftermath of Istvaan. How does that sound, plausible? Thanks for looking guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain mortis Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Well done on making your choice brother! You do us all proud Good choice of legion and nice take on them Cant wait to see you get started on this...but I think if I was a casualty, the last medic I would like to see is someone looking tyberos haha Well done again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks! Haha you and me both brother! He's there for the violent brutal side... I had to get Tyberos in there somehow! I forgot to say I also ordered the GK terminator Apothecary parts to convert Tyberos, so he will actually have apothecary tools... Not just claws and saws haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Apothecaries have claws and saws anyways lol...just smaller... Anyways, I quite look forward to this! And decently happy that one of the indecisive's has finally settled on a Legion xD (nothing against the others..) Luckily for you, you're only 10 marine bodies away from having all your 30 for the 3 squads in drop pods, so at least you'll have the core of the list down pretty fast! Just need those drop pods... Will also be curious to see how you do Alvarex Maun and Kaedes Nex, hopefully one of them (if not both) gets a model :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hey man nice to see you starting this. Will try and get those bits out to you tomorrow. When thinking of background you can change things and do counts as. The Raven Guard had tons of Moritats, yours doesnt have to be Nex in your background. And when i was looking at Nomad Pred fleets I was going to call my Mor Deythan Shadow Walkers, basically pre Corax versions. Or, if you want a really cool take send 100Heathens a PM and ask about his skin walker idea. I am sure he wont mind sharing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Apothecaries have claws and saws anyways lol...just smaller... Anyways, I quite look forward to this! And decently happy that one of the indecisive's has finally settled on a Legion xD (nothing against the others..) Luckily for you, you're only 10 marine bodies away from having all your 30 for the 3 squads in drop pods, so at least you'll have the core of the list down pretty fast! Just need those drop pods... Will also be curious to see how you do Alvarex Maun and Kaedes Nex, hopefully one of them (if not both) gets a model :p Haha I'm glad I've settled too! I'm trying to put as much in the way of me changing again as possible haha (this thread, placing my order). I actually feel pretty concrete about them though! I haven't actually thought about how I'm going to do Alvarex and Kaedes haha. I wonder if I could use Shadow Captain Korvydae for Kaedes? With pistols instead of the hammer (and obviously a different backpack). Any way, thanks Slipstreams, you've been a big help with getting me settled and building my lists :) Hey man nice to see you starting this. Will try and get those bits out to you tomorrow. When thinking of background you can change things and do counts as. The Raven Guard had tons of Moritats, yours doesnt have to be Nex in your background. And when i was looking at Nomad Pred fleets I was going to call my Mor Deythan Shadow Walkers, basically pre Corax versions. Or, if you want a really cool take send 100Heathens a PM and ask about his skin walker idea. I am sure he wont mind sharing. Thank you for that, I really appreciate it :) everyone in this community is so helpful! And yeah good point on the counts as, I like that idea. I did see 1000heathens post in another thread about the skin walkers, and thought it was an awesome idea! I just don't know how to represent it haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Well I have seen some cool Carcharodons with some shark style markings on their helms, you could try something like that. Have to be careful not to make them full on terror markings. Although that would look good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 I know I'm gonna try paint a shark head on the Darkwing. I don't want to make the link tooooo overt, but I definitely want the hints to be there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Maybe just put a dorsal fin on the darkwing...that'd be very subtle but less overt than a painted shark face :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 When I said not overt I meant in general, not the Darkwing... But a dorsal fin would be a lot easier... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Finally!!! Lol glad you found something to stick to brother and looks really promising. Looking forward to seeing this develop :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 I'm glad too! Haha :) I dunno how it'll actually turn out, I've never painted warhammer before... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Im sure you'll be fine brother, if you have any questions/need hints tips new techniques etc feel free to ask (not me i suck but every 1 else lol) the BnC is an awesome community :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You're also relatively safe in that your going to primarily be doing black/white/grey. White will be the hardest but since its not too prominent (unless your doing RG vets with white helm/arms ) then you'll be fine. Prime Black and you've got 90% of an RG scheme done :P rest is just detailing and making it look good. Tears of the Raven, as you've probably seen, has a Plog on this very subforum that you could use as inspiration / source of help as well as the WIP section being full of useful stuff. You could also ask the black templars...though their whole ZEAL! thing might be off putting, they are Loyalist Sons of Dorn! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 These is a gw grwy base painy that begins with a C, that is good for small areas of white detailing. Give it a slight agrax earthsade wash and it will tie into the black. if you use decals the same wash will tie it in and a bit of that grey base will fix any areas that go to dark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Yeah I think I picked well with the colours haha for a first paint project, coulda been Imperial fists ;) I have seen Tears of the Ravens plog, inspiring stuff! Thanks for the tips guys :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You could also ask the black templars...though their whole ZEAL! thing might be off putting, they are Loyalist Sons of Dorn! :P Pffft our zeal has kept us true to the ideals of the great crusade for over 10,000 years!! The only true sons of the emprah in this darkest of ages.... And yes i do deny the existence of the latest heresy that is our retcons!!! Lol But yeah a black scheme is a great way to start off :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Okay that makes me feel a bit better about it :) looking forward to getting started now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3801841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 I was looking at maybe getting some resin bases from: http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/bases-for-miniatures/round-bases-for-miniatures but I don't know which ones, are there any that you guys think especially suit the RG? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TearsOfTheRaven Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 It depends on how you paint them. ;) Light bases work well as contrast from dark miniatures and help break up large blocks of black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Well I was thinking something like rocky/mountains or starship deck, but maybe snowy bases would be good contrast? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TearsOfTheRaven Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 It also depends on where the army is thematically, that should help you choose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 I'm not sure! Haha. I dunno whether to set them at Istvaan, before or after... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If ur after a contrasting base Istvaan may not be ur best bet, IIRC Istvaan is always described as "black sands" im prolly wrong mind lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Actually yeah I think I have a faint recollection of that from somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296325-blood-and-talon-pre-heresy-raven-guard/#findComment-3802049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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