Lednera Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi guys as far as I know Space Wolves only induct new space marine candidates from Fenris. I was wondering would it be possible for a Space Wolves Serf/Thrall that was very young or young enough to go through the Space Marine transformation processes to be elevated to a Space Marine. If it was possible with in fluff terms what are some ideas of great services that would catch the eye of a wolf priest the grant this privalage to a Serf/Thrall of the Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Battle. That is what is valued. Prove your valor, courage and skill. As for recruiting a Serf, I find it unlikely but if there was a situation where one has proven his mettle, there might be a case for it. Though actual recruitment would not take place away from Fenris because the initiation rites and all that jazz needs to happen on Fenris (cup of wulfen, test of morkai and all that). But I guess it would all differ from Company to Company, since they mostly act independent of each other. If a Wolf Priest sees a Serf as worthy, many won't argue. However, keep in mind that many Serfs were actually recruits that did not make it far enough. So it probably has to be an offspring of a Serf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 I am aware of that detail. Like you said I was looking into it being maybe an offspring of some one who had failed the full processes and now resided in The Fang. The offspring itself would not have had the chance to start the journey since they were not looking for recruits from The Fang stock of Fenrisian men. I was thinking that the offspring of the serf might have proven himself in a void battle. I am not very sure I want to see if it can be done but stay very close to known lore and fluff. The question came up since I wish to write a background to my Wolf Lord in the style of the Space Wolves novels were Ragnar is the main character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 It is suggested that it can happen. The name of one of the pack in Blood of Asaheim ends in 'kaerlborn'. Which would suggest that he originates from kaerl stock, rather then Fenrisian islanders. Also, most versions of SW recruitment have failed aspirants either dying, or becoming servitors, rather than serfs (as is the case with other Chapters). The human denizens of the Fang seem to be their own Fenrisian bloodline, with some interaction with the Islander natives, such as the kaerl in Battle for the Fang, whose father was a kaerl commander, but her mother is said to have been from the ice, rather than being born in the Aett. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There's loads of fluff around serfs/thralls in Battle of the Fang. Essentially they have to defend the fang when the majority of the Wolves have left Fenris. It describes families that have been serfs to the wolves for generations. There's also some fluff in the ADB Grey Knights book (cant remember the name of it) one of the inquisitors is originally a Fenrisian. Also remember that serfs crew the majority of the Wolves' fleet assets, plenty of opportunity to excel in battle! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 So let me review some of the things you guys are saying. Serfs of the Space Wolves are not failed marines, genealogical history of serf families in service to The Fang, and most fleet assets crewed by serfs. With this details in mind I have some technical questions in relation to lore/fluff as it relates to my background for my wolf lord.Lets say he was part of a defending member of a boarding action that was taken against the Space Wolves ship. He is the last of his platoon to survive to the last man and in the middle of the counter boarding action he manages to repel the boarders, lets say Orks for simple example. Would this be something worthy for the Wolf Priest in the ship to judge him a candidate for the Trials. If so then the new candidate should make a trip back to Fenris to take part in the traditional training and trials. Am I correct in this idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I guess so, assuming he was young enough. Although as a slight terminology issue, the 'go to' unit of kaerls is the riven, not the platoon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Riven, got it; do we have more details on the Kaerls structure beyond the reference to Riven as a unit organization level? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Lednera, see if you can please find a copy of Battle of the Fang, and The Emperor's Gift. This should provide plenty of ideas for how to interpret the formation of your Wolf Lord, and the recent sagas of the Sons of Russ, for some context. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Not really, other than there being at least a squad/pack level division within a riven. Battle of the Fang may give some idea of a riven's numbers (it may be a company analogue, with an implied platoon structure within, not 100% sure), but I don't have my copy to hand to check this. Also. something Ieft out of my previous post, the fluff does have the Wolves being able/willing to take recruits at an older age than many of their fellow Chapters, given the apparent ages of the likes of Ragnar and Lukas when they were recruited. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Interesting, I have read Battle of the Fang, that is what made me want to get involved with Space Wolves even more and I am reading through the Space Wolves novels were Ragnar is the main character. I already have a general structure on how to do this I just wanted to run the smaller details through all you guys. So that I can keep errors in fluff as few as possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lednera Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 This is a very brief work in progress of a vision that one of the Rune Priests in The Fang had in relation to my Wolf Lord I still need help to make it read more like a proper vision quest. Rune Priest Alryk prepared himself for a vision quest. He hoped that he would have an answer to the visions he has been receiving in the last couple of weeks. As he enters a deep meditative trance he starts to see that the path the child he has witnessed in his visions holds is the scent of the lone wolf. In his visions he is either alone or the last man standing in a battlefield. As he focuses on the child he starts to hear his call to the rest of his pack but no answer comes to him. As Alrk looks around in his vision he notices that the child was born on Morkai's Vigil the doomed vessal that vanished during the great crusade as it gave chase to the Thousand Sons fleet. The child is a son of the Kaerls stationed on the strike cruiser. In the vision Alryk sees a double headed eagle envelop the doomed ship . The Allfather has kept watch over his children. As Morkai's Vigil crashes into an Ice World that is watched over by a Blue Star, Alryk hears the echo of howls across the sea of stars proclaiming the great deed the child will do. The blue star Alryk calls the Wolfstar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Back when we still could take a Chooser of the slain, I made one with a very similar story. As a neophyte he exhibited immense psychic levels, so he was taken by a Wolf Priest after being told of the lad by a powerful Rune Priest. If he would of continued in the game, he would of become an awesome Wyrdmaster. Now, he's just a lonely objective marker... :'( End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Short answer: no Long Answer: Thrals are those aspirants who have failed to become a spacemarine, most likely the genseed stuff and such didnt bond with them. Than there is the whole braindead part. I wonder why no one just seemed to put up this answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I wonder why no one just seemed to put up this answer. Well, because it's wrong. A failed aspirant may be offered a place as a thrall, but not all thralls are failed aspirants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 There are many long and noble blood lines amongst the kaerls, the human thralls of the Space Wolves. I have a Wolf Guard named Hjalmar Aettson. His family have served the Sky Warriors for many generations and after a particularly brutal campaign when Logan Grimnar wished to replenish the numbers of battle brothers at an increased rate he permitted the selection of aspirants from amongst those of kaerl heritage to supplement the usual intake. This has often been a challenge for him as some do not consider him truly one of their kind as he was not born on the ice and cannot relate to elements of their culture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296329-question-space-wolves-thralls-to-space-marine/#findComment-3801920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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