frozenfoods Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Salamanders 2,000 - HQ -Legion Praetor - 180Cataphractii Terminator, Dragonscale Stormshield, Mantle of the Elder Drake, Paragon Blade (Covenant of Fire)Firedrake Terminator Bodyguard Squad - 7505x Firedrake, 1x Heavy Flamer, 4x Dragonscale, 5x Thunder Hammer, Dragonscale. Master - Dragonscale/M.C. Hammer Legion Spartan Assault TankArmoured Ceramite, Flare Shield Troops - Legion Tactical - 270x19, Bombs/Power/Artificer Weapons on Serg.Legion Tactical - 270 x19, Bombs/Power/Artificer Weapons on Serg.Legion Tactical Support Squad - 220 x9, Bombs/Artificer on Serg, Rhino Elites - Apothecarion Detatchment - 902x Apothecary for each of the tac blobsContemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 200 Havoc Launcher, 2x Twin lascannons 20 pts remaining, debating whether to artificer armor the tactical serges or give the apothecaries a couple of volkite weapons to do something with. Who knows.2500 - List as above, plus - Troops - Legion Tac Support Squad - 2109x, bare, Rhino. Heavy - Legion Sicarian Battle Tank - 135 Sicarian Venator Tank Destroyer - 190Got that all done, just had to double check to make sure I had the stuff copied over right. I'm skipping Pyroclasts because I'm pretty sure I can get a pretty good result out of regular flamers at the same strength point, with the same maneuverability, at like 1/3 the points cost total for not having to take Land Raiders. Tossed in a 5th Firedrake pretty much just because, decent points value out of them.However I've got two squads of clasts already, so if I need to I can Proteus at least one of them if it turns out that 2+ save is super vital and they're not absolutely terrified of the tank/contemptor.I REALLY WANT TO FIELD CASSIAN DRACOS... Dang I mean REALLY. Why can't he take a master of the legion trait? What is the logic there? Ugh... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Looks good, the big units have survivability, the Mortis covers anti-air and the Firedrakes have transport to get them where they need to be. I would personally not bother with the Infernus pistols on the sergeants, the 6" range severely limits their usability as you need to be 3" away from your target to actually get the melta bonus, which puts your own squad at risk of losing men if the target blows up. What power weapons are you planning on using? I'd personally pick axes, as swords don't have the AP to go through artificier armour which will be on most sergeants, so its worth losing the Initiative advantage to remove your enemy's armour save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3810294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Both lists are solid, no doubt about it. I assume that the melta on the sergeants are melta bombs? I just feel that you are lacking a little bit of ranged firepower, particularly in the 2K list. You are reasonably covered for antitank with the spartan and contemptor, but you are lacking generalised firepower (sicaran covers this well in the 2.5) and something to hurt the enemy blobs at range. I think by halving the size of the support squad and dropping some wargear, or trimming you tac squads to around 15 men, you could buy a whirlwind scorpius or a predator executioner. Kitwulfen has been making a strong argument for the value of the scorpius - it's a great generalist, useful for anti armour and thinning enemy troops. The predator would give you some ranged AP2 blasts, though it's S7 and lack of barrage makes it less flexible. Personally I'd drop run a five man support squad and buy the whirlwind. Your fire drakes will smash up enemy terminators, and you'll benefit more from bigger blobs and a more flexible ranged support platform. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3810314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Sorry, the melta on sergeants is bombs, I'll edit that later. I was really thinking of getting a Scorpius in there. I'll play with the list a bit. I definitely see the appeal of the Predator, but the Whirlwind was my very first tank, so having that lift units sounds amazing. AP2 is great, but I think the terminator smash squad will be fine there.Oh, any generic Power Weapon is gonna be an axe. No reason to bring along AP3 only to lose any chance of wounding. Salamanders 2,000 - HQ -Legion Praetor - 185Cataphractii Terminator, Dragonscale Stormshield, Mantle of the Elder Drake, Master Crafted Paragon Blade (Covenant of Fire)Firedrake Terminator Bodyguard Squad - 7505x Firedrake, 1x Heavy Flamer, 4x Dragonscale, 5x Thunder Hammer Master - Dragonscale/M.C. Hammer Legion Spartan Assault TankArmoured Ceramite, Flare Shield Troops - Legion Tactical - 270x19, Bombs/Power Axe/Artificer on Serg.Legion Tactical - 270 x19, Bombs/Power Axe/Artificer Weapons on Serg.Legion Tactical Support Squad - 135 x4, bare, Rhino Elites - Apothecarion Detatchment - 902x, an Apothecary for each of the tac blobsContemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 185 2x Twin lascannonsHeavy Support - Legion Whirlwind Scorpius - 115 Bare2K Flat. The extra five flamers is gonna be less important overall than the template bombs will be, and the Whirlwind is just a doom beast with that D3+1 shots thing... So good.I might alter the 2500 list, bring it along there too, I dunno. I need to get it on the field and play with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3810590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Very nice, and covers all the bases. I'm glad you liked my suggestions! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3810750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 2500 point list if I brought it along would end up being HQ -Legion Praetor - 185Cataphractii Terminator, Dragonscale Stormshield, Mantle of the Elder Drake, Master Crafted Paragon Blade (Covenant of Fire)Firedrake Terminator Bodyguard Squad - 7505x Firedrake, 1x Heavy Flamer, 4x Dragonscale, 5x Thunder Hammer Master - Dragonscale/M.C. Hammer Legion Spartan Assault TankArmoured Ceramite, Flare Shield Troops - Legion Tactical - 280x19, Bombs/Power Axe/Artificer Weapons/Armor on Serg.Legion Tactical - 280 x19, Bombs/Power Axe/Artificer Weapons/Armor on Serg.Legion Tactical Support Squad - 230 x9, Bombs/Armor/Artificer Weapon, Rhino Elites - Apothecarion Detatchment - 902x, an Apothecary for each of the tac blobsContemptor Mortis Dreadnought - 185 2x Twin lascannonsHeavy Support - Legion Whirlwind Scorpius - 115 Bare Legion Sicarian Battle Tank - 175Armoured Ceramite, Heavy BoltersLegion Venator Tank Destroyer - 210 Armoured CeramiteGrand total - 2500.I'll probably keep both of these lists, as a few people at my FLGS play some of the swarmier armies, but at the same time, d3+1 template drops barrage ap3.... If that doesn't say squish to whatever squad it's targeting, lol, Easily as good as 10 flamer templates, and far more unforgiving.The Venator Tank Destroyer's Ordinance forces any other weapon it fires to snap shot, IIRC, so it's worthless to spend any points on sponson weapons for it, as only the lascannons would help it at it's primary job, and not even being twin linked... ehhhhh.... I do like that the battle tank has good synergy with the heavy bolter sponsons. Anything I'm missing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3810928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I think it looks really good, and I'd take the whirlwind over the second flame squad too. Your points on the support squad are off though - but I think you just transposed it badly rather than an error for the list... Still, I think you should find the points for a rhino for them, as it increases the chance of getting them on a forward objective nice and early. I'd drop the armoured ceramite on the venator to pay for part of it, as this tank is the least likely to be in melta range. I feel like the normal sicaran is better with lascannons, but given your other tanks you are probably justified in giving it the anti-infantry guns. So, when do we get to see some models (asks the guy who has painted a feeble 10 of his own heresy salamanders...)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3811197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 At this moment I have a grand total of two squads of pyros, got breachers on order soon, next week or so(the models are just too pretty, gonna be a stand in for tacs) as well as the contemptor, rhino upgrade kit, firedrakes. Early Oct I'll order the tanks and the whirlwind upg kit. Also Vulkan, because why not, right?I'll update my old imgur folders, gotta get my Dark Eldar started/finished(10% assembled/painted), finish up my tau, 100/80% assembled/painted, and this decision put my new salamanders on indefinite hold, they were like 80/30.Also, yes, I did miss that tactical support squad points/rhino, was late, and I've got a fever, lol.Put the link to my WIP galleries in my profile. Was thinking of putting it in the sig, but I dunno, probably good enough this way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3811364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Well, I've just gotta wait till the end of the week and I'll have this list just about ordered. Might have to wait one more after that, not 100% sure. Then I can get some good images up for the fun stuff. Can't wait. For shipping that is... FW to US takes soooooo loooooooong, lol.As a side note, I've decided to put together a list that I may or may not ever build, due to the overwhelming levels of "that guy" necessary to field/play this. It would be ludicrously fun though. 2000/2500HQ - Cassian Dracos - 275Troops - Legion Tactical Squad - 1859x Marine, 1x Serg, RhinoLegion Tactical Squad - 185 9x Marine, 1x Serg, RhinoElites - Contemptor Dreadnought Talon - 675Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Carapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Chainfist with inbuilt Twin Bolter (Heavy Flamer), Dreadnought CCW (Heavy Flamer)Legion Contemptor DreadnoughtCarapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon x2Legion Contemptor DreadnoughtTwin-Linked Lascannon, Heavy Conversion Beamer Contemptor Dreadnought Talon - 675Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Carapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Chainfist with inbuilt Twin Bolter (Heavy Flamer), Dreadnought CCW (Heavy Flamer)Legion Contemptor DreadnoughtCarapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon x2Legion Contemptor DreadnoughtTwin-Linked Lascannon, Heavy Conversion Beamer1995/2000. Probably Melta-Bombs something, I dunno, I honestly don't expect the troops choices to survive the first turn, lol. HQ - Cassian Dracos - 275Troops - Legion Tactical Squad - 2159x Marine, 1x Serg (Arti Armor/weapons, Power Axe, Melta Bombs)Legion Tactical Squad - 210 9x Marine, 1x Serg (Arti Armor,weapons, Power Axe) RhinoElites - Contemptor Dreadnought Talon - 705Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Carapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Chainfist with inbuilt Twin Bolter (Heavy Flamer), Dreadnought CCW (Heavy Flamer), Extra ArmorLegion Contemptor DreadnoughtCarapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon x2, Extra ArmorLegion Contemptor DreadnoughtTwin-Linked Lascannon, Heavy Conversion Beamer, Extra Armor Contemptor Dreadnought Talon - 705Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Carapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Chainfist with inbuilt Twin Bolter (Heavy Flamer), Dreadnought CCW (Heavy Flamer), Extra ArmorLegion Contemptor DreadnoughtCarapace Mounted Havoc Launcher, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon x2, Extra ArmorLegion Contemptor DreadnoughtTwin-Linked Lascannon, Heavy Conversion Beamer, Extra ArmorContemptor-Mortis Dreadnought - 195Extra Armor, two Twin Linked LascannonsContemptor-Mortis Dreadnought - 195Extra Armor, two Twin Linked Lascannons2500/2500.Now of course, this is dependent upon the opponent allowing me to take the Age of Darkness FOC, if not then I can just swap out for one of my Sicaran tanks or something like that. I dunno, I just want the option of being like okay, this is my army. (Puts 9 dreadnoughts on the table.)I do a similar thing with my Tau in serious-face games. Farsight 2x crisis suit teams, 2x commander suits, XV-107, A Hammerhead (because spare points) and a Firebase Support Cadre (Riptide, two 3 man XV-88 Broadside teams) and drones, drones everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3816131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Oh man, those dread lists :o If you have the guts to put that together, I applaud you sir, for I stopped at 4....Until they release the Imperial Fists Contemptor that is... And, as you've geared them, covering all your bases, I can't really say that anythings wrong since you'll have the necessary punch to take down heavy armor with conversion beamer's and Lascannons. My only stipulation would be to probably make one of the Mortis' one of the Kheres Variants to give you the options of having mass shots with skyfire / interceptor should you need it. Other than that, really, they should be able to deal with nearly anything that they go up against; barring a Super Heavy, though at sub 3k they should be quite few and far between. Though personally, this list feels more Iron Hands than it does Salamanders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3816136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Yeah, it really does, I just felt like putting something together that really felt Cassian Dracos, and we did have a TON of dreadnoughts running around, we just likely didn't toss around a full army's amount at any one time, lol. That whole everyone's an artificer thing, really frees up time for the production and maintenance of these things.I honestly didn't even think of skyfiring with the kheres, that sounds amazing. The only drawback is the range, so I think I'll just do one.Not sure if I wanna run the top dreads as dual CCW ones, but 2 attacks base... ugh.As far as Super Heavies go, I'm expecting them to be concerned with the Cassian and 2x murderbots running at it, knowing that if they touch base it's turning to slag, either forcing them to destroy them, giving me time to whittle them down, or ignoring them for the greater threat to everything else and just hoping they get enough kills in before the dreads mulch it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296773-working-on-a-couple-of-lists-for-salamanders-20002500/#findComment-3816142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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