Cian Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 Strangly he mentioned Mechanicum the other night, having had a look on FW i think the models look really good but expensive, i dont want him to put a lot of money down and be disappointed. Having said that he is a grown man. I have now had chance to glance at some of the HH rules and it looks straight forward enough (its started a secret desire to build a legion army), i think we will play equal points and see how it goes from there allthough this could be months rather than weeks away ! Many thanks people. Cian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-3814751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Had some experience fighting 30k SoH army against old 40k volves. Cheap ATKNF or fearless is huge advantage of 40k army over any 30k army, legion has to win assault or it dies. In addition 40k usually can do very effective MSU against 30k army. And of course Eternal Warrior on every second character in 40k is just crazy, breaks all the fan gearing out a Praetor. So in my personal experience, I would say that 3000 and more is about right, plus primarchs are not such a big deal considering their cost, which they have very little chance to win back unless 40k army has a deathstar for primarch to eat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-3815093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Thanks for the information and personal feedback guys ! I'm seriously considering dropping my 40k Space Marine armies for an army based on the 30k rules. I find that Forgeworld does things Space Marine related much more right than Games Workshop :/ I'll probably do a playtest game to see how it goes though ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4018986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Thanks for the information and personal feedback guys ! I'm seriously considering dropping my 40k Space Marine armies for an army based on the 30k rules. I find that Forgeworld does things Space Marine related much more right than Games Workshop :/ I'll probably do a playtest game to see how it goes though ! I was considering the same, mon ami... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4019160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hivey Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 all but 2 or 3 of my games with my 30k alpha legion are done against 40k armies. all those games that i won were fairly close, and all but 1 of the loses were as well. with all the D weapons running around in normal 40k, even primarchs arent that big a deal these days. even then, id say dont allow a primarch unless play 2k points or more. thats how i play, and most people are fine with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4019704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I'm really curious to try out a 30K legion vs any Xenos in 40K (Tau, eldar, Tyranids, Orks etc). Anybody had any experience? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4022966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I've played vs Tyranids and so has my buddy's WE. If you have the melee blobs with intercept then you should be good, if its medium to close range shooting it can get rough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4023113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I've played vs Tyranids and so has my buddy's WE. If you have the melee blobs with intercept then you should be good, if its medium to close range shooting it can get rough You mean having more close combat oriented Tyranids? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4023135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I regularly play against Eldar, Necrons, Knights, IG, and Chaos. Volkite culvrins, interceptor, and sicarans really shine. As do thudd guns. Against hordes or GEQ there's a definite edge. On the flip side, we get lots of problems with mobility, some with morale, and lots with large tough MCs or vehicles like Knights. Legions run middle to upper middle of the pack, in my meta anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4023638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I've played vs Tyranids and so has my buddy's WE. If you have the melee blobs with intercept then you should be good, if its medium to close range shooting it can get rough You mean having more close combat oriented Tyranids? Actually no lol, my friend runs 3 mawlocs and multiple flyrants and stuff, hes got a lot of cc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4023735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I've played vs Tyranids and so has my buddy's WE. If you have the melee blobs with intercept then you should be good, if its medium to close range shooting it can get rough You mean having more close combat oriented Tyranids? Actually no lol, my friend runs 3 mawlocs and multiple flyrants and stuff, hes got a lot of cc Oh I see where this is going - more assault squads, dreadies with close combat weapons, vets and termies? and probably a decent tank with a good AP value cannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4023950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I've played vs Tyranids and so has my buddy's WE. If you have the melee blobs with intercept then you should be good, if its medium to close range shooting it can get rough You mean having more close combat oriented Tyranids? Actually no lol, my friend runs 3 mawlocs and multiple flyrants and stuff, hes got a lot of cc Oh I see where this is going - more assault squads, dreadies with close combat weapons, vets and termies? and probably a decent tank with a good AP value cannon? Pretty much this; my buddies WE tear through them with the full 20 man blobs with extra cc and apothecaries. I think he has a medusa too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4024291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydriatus Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I fought a 40k Tyranid force with Iron Warriors over the weekend - 2000pts, his win mostly due to having more squads, despite lesser numbers (aaah, Space Marines outnumbering tyranids...always fun!)It seemed pretty balanced, even if his outflanking genestealers and broodlord wound up eating a Fury of the Legion attack... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4030768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 My local is a mix of mostly 40k and Three 30k players. When the Legions take the field they normally will win their games. The core difference is how far they win said games. For example: - The IW player who runs with the hellishly fluffy/good twin havocs, aegis, Valen and a Spartan with 20 tacs as the base force, wins just about every game he plays vs 40k. - The World Eater with Butchers, ravagers, Khârn, Spartan and two rhinos with tacs, wins probably 3/4 of his games vs 40k (mostly because he is an assault army that needs to get close). - My fluffy as shizz EC probably win about half my games (if that) vs 40k but have hellishly close fights each time. The only times I've really won hard is against Tyranids (because Volkite weaponry makes em cry/ my praetor insta-deathed his Tyrant.) So really from my experience Heresy sits nicely in the mid/top area of 40k meta, however this is pretty dependant on Legion and lists used. Ironically one of the most annoying opponents is 40k marines (any codex) - because as mentioned earlier, ATSKNF really helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4030836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Blood in the Void matches using HH Zone Mortalis rules is the greatest game I've ever played, bar none. Fighting boarding actions in space is totally insane. Next time, I want to do a huge game, starting on the skin of the ship. True Void, the Black Ocean, Universal emptiness. Rotor Cannons would be really fun here, I think. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4031406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Blood in the Void matches using HH Zone Mortalis rules is the greatest game I've ever played, bar none. Fighting boarding actions in space is totally insane. Next time, I want to do a huge game, starting on the skin of the ship. True Void, the Black Ocean, Universal emptiness. Rotor Cannons would be really fun here, I think. :D Completely agree. Which is why I'm building my large Zone Mortalis board complete with ship outer wall and hangar bay... See my thread for pics. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4031976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Blood in the Void matches using HH Zone Mortalis rules is the greatest game I've ever played, bar none. Fighting boarding actions in space is totally insane. Next time, I want to do a huge game, starting on the skin of the ship. True Void, the Black Ocean, Universal emptiness. Rotor Cannons would be really fun here, I think. :D Got some pics or bat rep brotha? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4032026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Blood in the Void matches using HH Zone Mortalis rules is the greatest game I've ever played, bar none. Fighting boarding actions in space is totally insane. Next time, I want to do a huge game, starting on the skin of the ship. True Void, the Black Ocean, Universal emptiness. Rotor Cannons would be really fun here, I think. Got some pics or bat rep brotha? That was our game, you goofball. :P And you had all the pics, my man. If they went ninja, then we're outta luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4032496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Oh man, I thought you played some more games since then!!! I will try to find and rehost if possible! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4032961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Local shop died while I was out in the bush, and I'm working too many hours to drive into Anchorage for a game. Sucks, dude. Come back. I need to kill the rest of your fleet. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4033208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aias Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Local shop died while I was out in the bush, and I'm working too many hours to drive into Anchorage for a game. I know the feeling. Losing a local shop sucks. I've gotten one game in since our local one closed. Doesn't help that I'm working on a Heresy army, and I'm the only one playing 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4033222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Local shop died while I was out in the bush, and I'm working too many hours to drive into Anchorage for a game. Sucks, dude. Come back. I need to kill the rest of your fleet. :P Man, if I could get local it would rock! But Alaska is not for me haha, not like I get to pick where to go or anything! It was a great game, I am anxious to play some more of it once my stuff comes in!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4033228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 What's the best way to match those battles in terms of points? Cause I notice, that while it's fairly allright to have a 3000 points 30K army, for 40K it sounds pretty damn big Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4034200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 2k-2.5k seems to be the relative sweet spot between the both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4034218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I've found 1850 the sweet spot in my group, personally speaking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296807-40k-vs-30k-games/page/2/#findComment-4034566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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