Legion Smack Talk Thread

[Sheesh Mode]

The age of enlightenment began at the initiation of the Great Crusade brother when we cast aside the shadow of Old Night and reestablished humanity's dominance across the galaxy, unifying the thousand disparate worlds orphaned in the wake of the Age of Strife. Yet you would destroy such work for the false-promises of nightmares, abominations beyond our realm. Your hubris has led you and your conspirators down the path of damnation, were it not for your master, witch, we would no longer rely on the warp lanes for travel. But instead he damned us.

 

Even now the truth of it is apparent. You are nothing but shadows of your former selves, golems and slaves to the ambitions of heretics. Truly it is a fitting fate to be entrapped by the conspiracy of your fellows.  

[Excessus]

You call it the age of enlightenment, but we were lied to by the false Emperor and are guilty of spreading those lies to all the corners of the Imperium. There are gods beyond the veil of reality, gods that He has kept hidden from the public! In reality, it is we who has been betrayed!

[Castiel]

You call it the age of enlightenment, but we were lied to by the false Emperor and are guilty of spreading those lies to all the corners of the Imperium. There are gods beyond the veil of reality, gods that He has kept hidden from the public! In reality, it is we who has been betrayed!

Knowledge is power, and power is dangerous. He was right to keep the knowledge of those powers from Humanity, for look what the knowledge has brought. Half of the Legions turned against humanity by the whispers and promises beyond that veil. It was not betrayal, but wisdom to keep such knowledge from us. The very path you heretics walk is all the proof of that that we will ever need.

[Excessus]

Wisdom is not keeping information from us, wisdom is educating us enough to handle that information and react to it. Eight entire legions have turned from His light because of his "wisdom", if he had properly overseen the legions it would never had come to this and we could have all fought together when the time came.

 

You do not know our path, because you do not walk it. But your path is known to us because we have walked it and chose to explore the areas outside it.

[Castiel]

Wisdom is not keeping information from us, wisdom is educating us enough to handle that information and react to it. Eight entire legions have turned from His light because of his "wisdom", if he had properly overseen the legions it would never had come to this and we could have all fought together when the time came.

 

You do not know our path, because you do not walk it. But your path is known to us because we have walked it and chose to explore the areas outside it.

The Truth? You can't handle the truth! ( :P ) And the path you have chosen to walk proves it. I do not know your path, nor do I desire to. No sane man would willingly walk the road to damnation as you do.

[Excessus]

Damnation...a religious word. Who is the fallen one here? An Imperium built on hypocrasies at its best, a nest of lies and deceipt at its worst. We follow the truth, you follow the lies of a powermad Emperor.

 

We will see how this end, the truth will prevail!

[depthcharge12]

Y'all are still here?

 

 

Maybe you should be taking your fight to the Crusade than each other. It's why the First didn't bother with the other legions because there were more important things to do, like killing xenos.

[Vulkan's Charge]

In reality, it is we who has been betrayed!

Do not speak of betrayal to me traitor. You were not on Istvaan. You were not betrayed by those you once thought of as brothers only to be betrayed again. Your legion was not totally crushed, your legion did not have its back broken. Speak not of betrayal for you have no idea what betrayal is.

[Castiel]

Damnation...a religious word. Who is the fallen one here? An Imperium built on hypocrasies at its best, a nest of lies and deceipt at its worst. We follow the truth, you follow the lies of a powermad Emperor.

 

We will see how this end, the truth will prevail!

Your "truth" is nought but the whispered promises of being that would use you as toys for their own amusement, turning you against your own kind and laughing at the Chaos they have caused. You are nothing but pawns in the hands of cruel masters that will abandon you as soon as your worth is through.

 

Y'all are still here?

 

 

Maybe you should be taking your fight to the Crusade than each other. It's why the First didn't bother with the other legions because there were more important things to do, like killing xenos.

Or the traitors in your own legion.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Y'all are still here?

 

 

Apparently, these Salamanders think that words are weapons.

[depthcharge12]

 

Y'all are still here?

 

 

Apparently, these Salamanders think that words are weapons.

Actually, if you've met a noise marine...words can hurt too :P

[Hyaenidae]

Know what else hurts?

 

Phosphex.

 

Back on topic, and in narrative style.

[BassWave]

 

In reality, it is we who has been betrayed!

Do not speak of betrayal to me traitor. You were not on Istvaan. You were not betrayed by those you once thought of as brothers only to be betrayed again. Your legion was not totally crushed, your legion did not have its back broken. Speak not of betrayal for you have no idea what betrayal is.

Revolting. You speak of Istvaan as if bringing memories of those dark days would justify your cause, when it only revealed the incompetence of your legion. Instead of pushing forward to support the Tenth in tearing the throats out of the swine we called brothers, you chose to die in a ditch.

 

Our father died that day. Not because of some emotional outburst as his detractors would say. No. He died because all his brothers betrayed him. Yes, even Vulkan and Corax. Vulkan failed to act. Corax...chose to hide...

 

Our father, along with the most experienced of our brothers were slaughtered. And yet the Tenth pushed on, unrelenting. You whimper over a broken back, and moan over being crushed. You choose to continue to complain instead of cracking your vertebrae back in their place and continuing the fight. Hardly appropriate for an astartes. Your legion's existence disgusts me.

[Slips]

You may attempt to lay the blame for your Fathers death at the feet of others, Iron Hand, but in doing so you only lie to yourself.

 

You and your brothers all proclaim that the flesh is weak and that only its replacement by mechanical augmentations the means to overcome your post-human limits.

 

And yet:

 

Instead of using your cold calculated and unfeeling minds to weigh the pros and cons of charging directly for the head of our Traitorous brothers Filth, your Father and the BEST of your Legion all decided to charge blindly and heedlessly into the fray despite the protestations of Vulkan and Corax! Surely, had your Father clearly not been incensed by a very human rage at the betrayal of his closest brother, then he would have done the opposite!

 

I will not argue the strength you and your brothers possess to have been able to overcome such a devastating blow, for great it was indeed. However, you are more human than you proclaim, Son of the Gorgon and accepting that will you then find true peace.

[BassWave]

Again, a false claim. Did you already forget the plan that was laid out before the battle? We were to push forward as we were reinforced via drop pod assault from our "brothers". When they too turned on us, we pressed forward with the mission knowing we were going to die. This trap was orchestrated for us to all die anyway, might as well bring everyone with us. We chose to die with purpose.

 

Do not try to throw faults at us to hide the weaknesses of the Salamaders and Ravenguard.

 

Where are Corax and Vulkan now? I know where Ferrus is. His blood stains the earth on Istvaan. It seems they have abandoned responsibility once more when they are needed most.

[Slips]

You are telling us that you and your Legion would have preferred to have been butchered by the Traitors, all your accomplishments and glories, your Legions Name and History rendered naught but ash, dust and blood upon the ground of Istvaan, your Geneseed collected by the disgraces that we once called Brothers, your armaments, wargear and technological advanced left to the predations of the Enemy and used to bolster their forces?

 

All that for what? Stubborn and misplaced Pride? Adhering to a Battle Plan in the same fashion a servitor would? Folly!

 

You would have rather have died with a knife in your back unable to exact bloody vengeance upon those those that turned upon yours and those of Vulkan and Corax? True, no real Astartes would fear death, but, we were taught that living to fight another day is always better than accepting your fate and dying like a cornered animal! 

 

Had you and yours Regrouped with the Sons of the Drake and the Raven, the toll you would have been able to exact upon the Traitors would have been magnitudes greater! Instead, due to your own unwillingness to see reason, yours, the Salamanders and the Ravens are instead left shattered remains of your former Glory and the Traitors are none the worse!

 

 (breaking character since I probably need to be informed of this for the next arguement : But the reason the Iron Hands had a larger force following Istvaan V was because only the Avernii clan was there en masse with the larger portions of the other clans having been unable to regroup, right? Also Salamanders only survived the Heresy because of the troops sent back to Nocturne, right? P.S I need to re-read massacre, especially the bits about the IH and Sallies since that stuff is kinda rusty...)

 

At least the Raven Guard can proclaim having survived Istvaan V and fought non-stop throughout! They never gave up, they never grimly accepted their fate. They, unlike yours, exacted a bloody toll upon those who Remained on the surface! They even led Primarch Angron around like a fool for all those present to see! Were it not for them, the World Eaters would have (probably) done more damage in the intervening years! And yet you call them Coward and Traitor.

[BassWave]

As vile and cursed as he is, Horus was right. Only the Gorgon knew war as well as the fallen war master did.

 

You would never understand.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

As vile and cursed as he is, Horus was right. Only the Gorgon knew war as well as the fallen war master did.

 

You would never understand.

 

Then please tell this survivor of your Primarch's pride and anger what we dont know about war?

 

If the lesson you have to speak of is how to get yourself beheaded, to place your children on the path of mechanical abominations, or sideline your Legion during the greatest crisis the Imperium has faced, then I wouldnt understand.

 

My primarch survived combat with two traitor primarchs, and abandoned his pride to save his Legion. Your Primarch became a paper weight. 

 

Dont spear to us of the Iron Hand's mastery of warfare, you dont have the HEAD for it.

 

WLK, serving Lord Corax in 30k

[Slips]

Grief, Son of Ferrus, is an understandable thing. To lose your Liege-Lord and Gene Father to such treachery and react in such a way, it is only Human.

 

To deny the truth that your Primarch was more Human that you and yours believed and that he acted as a Human would when the Brother Closest to him revealed himself as Traitor and forsook his oath to the Emperor, he reacted as any man would. That, Iron Hand, that is a folly.

 

Even the best of us are not without faults. Accepting that, Medusan, will let you and yours truly realize your potential. As it stands, you unknowingly limit yourselves with your quest for Perfection and much like the Eternally damned Emperors Children before you, it shall lead you only to ruin. Ironic, isn't it? (also quite pun-y...Ironic; Iron-ic..Iron Hands...? Yeah I'll see myself out...)

 

 

Edit: P.s Thanks Basswave, you've got my previously mentioned (in this thread) fatigued Fluff-gland-nerve-organ-thing..yeah.. back up and running :P

[BassWave]

@WLK- Hold your tongue coward. While the Salamanders were slow to act, at least they died fighting. As for your ilk, records show that most Ravenguard died from wounds in the back... And you dare speak of abominations? I don't even need to mention the Weregeld. Yes I know of their existence. The Mechanicum never erases information. Keeping them close has its perks.

 

The fact that you mention Corax "surviving" battle with two primarchs only reinforces the fact that he is only good at retreating. Why you would bring that up is illogical.

 

All you can come up with is the same tired, petty jest over the fate of our Father's head. Pathetic. Get thee back to the shadows.

 

@Slipstream- The Gorgon? Human? I'd laugh if my sense of humor hadn't died during the Heresy. As our heathen cousin from the Fourth once said, the primarch's were monsters pretending to be men. They are still monsters all the same. I could never hope to understand him, and I don't want to. All I know is that when tempted by the lure of chaos, he was the first to refuse.

 

(Out of character: No prob Slipstream :D I figured I'd bring a different change of pace from the back and forth between rebels and loyalists. I actually do like Ravenguard and Salamanders. But as we all found out in this thread, there's dirt on all the legions ;) )

[Castiel]

Son of Manus, tell me this. You have the opportunity to destroy one of the enemies biggest assets, but in doing so you will lose three of your own of equivalent value. Do you strike then, or do you wait and find a better opportunity, to strike without threat to yourself? For that is what happened on Istvaan. Fulgrim may have fallen, but Vulkan, Corax and Manus would have been lost along with their legions. Do you imagine Angron, Horus and Mortarion would have fallen too, for if so you delude yourself.

 

Seek not to cast the blame on the others that fought with you that day, for our three Legions stood alone and betrayed by fully eight of our so called "brothers", remaining to press home the strike would have seen us all destroyed for your master's foolish pride. Better to be pragmatic and fall back, and live to fight another day. There is no shame in knowing when you have been defeated and knowing when to leave the field. Our blade is still sharp and will cut our foe deeply before this war is over.

[Russ Brother 92]

Youngling of the Drake... All that was needed was one strong hammer blow, your father, a king of such tactics should have known that the combined might of the Avernii and the Fire Drakes would shatter most any foe, if he had merely agreed to the plan set out by man marked as a master tactician by Guilleman then perhaps the day would have been ours... At the least it would have been far less theirs, for we KNOW at least 2 of our foes would have died in the great ash wastes, Fulgrim and Curze or Lorgar the arch-traitor either of which would have been shattering blows to both the warmaster's plans and their individual legions.

 

I do NOT count the Raven and his kin for although they fight well, they fight almost as cowards, preferring the short sharp knife in the back as opposed to the strong thrust to the heart.

 

They are hereby deemed worthy of all the criticism and distrust they get, for they engendered it upon themselves.

[Castiel]

Youngling of the Drake... All that was needed was one strong hammer blow, your father, a king of such tactics should have known that the combined might of the Avernii and the Fire Drakes would shatter most any foe, if he had merely agreed to the plan set out by man marked as a master tactician by Guilleman then perhaps the day would have been ours... At the least it would have been far less theirs, for we KNOW at least 2 of our foes would have died in the great ash wastes, Fulgrim and Curze or Lorgar the arch-traitor either of which would have been shattering blows to both the warmaster's plans and their individual legions.

 

I do NOT count the Raven and his kin for although they fight well, they fight almost as cowards, preferring the short sharp knife in the back as opposed to the strong thrust to the heart.

 

They are hereby deemed worthy of all the criticism and distrust they get, for they engendered it upon themselves.

Who are you calling Youngling? The are of the forge is not just in knowing where to strike, but when to strike. It must be when the blow is ready and will fall the purest. Istvaan was not that moment. Perhaps if your father had had to toil in the forge rather than just shaping the metal like water he would have learnt this. But you should not be channeling your Legion's anger at those who fought and died alongside you that day, but at those who turned their backs on us whom we once called brothers. Our legions have lost much, but we can still fight.

[Leif Bearclaw]

Youngling of the Drake... All that was needed was one strong hammer blow, your father, a king of such tactics should have known that the combined might of the Avernii and the Fire Drakes would shatter most any foe, if he had merely agreed to the plan set out by man marked as a master tactician by Guilleman then perhaps the day would have been ours... At the least it would have been far less theirs, for we KNOW at least 2 of our foes would have died in the great ash wastes, Fulgrim and Curze or Lorgar the arch-traitor either of which would have been shattering blows to both the warmaster's plans and their individual legions.

 

A master tactician? On any other day The Gorgon would justify such praise, but how could he seriously expect to deliver a strong hammer blow against the initial four traitors when he was too blinded by rage to even wait a few hours to bring the full force of his Legion to the fight? He led the minority of your Legion into the teeth of the Traitors. Even without the perfidy of the second wave, precious few of your Avernii elite would've left Istvaan alive. While I sympathise with your loss, culpability for the Gorgon's fate lies chiefly at the Traitor's feet and his own actions, not your brothers in the XVIII and XIX.

[Daemon2027]

It makes me laugh to think that you believe that you had any chance to win the field against the Warmaster. You forget, he is the greatest of all, no one could match him, not Russ, not Sanguinius, and not even the Gorgon. The true strength of the Warmasters forces, his Sons of the XVIth, the ones who led the Crusade, the ones who brought the false emperor his kingdom, and the ones who will tear it away from him, were kept in reserve, and if they were called the three legions would have been obliterated before their believed allies even arrived.