Demus Ragnok Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 One man's pointless stupidity is another man's revolution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 One man's pointless stupidity is another man's revolution. Truth. I loved the Decimation bit of the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 I like the Decimation thing too. Shows how cold and calculated he is, and they certainly would know who's in charge afterwards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 In truth I thought that, with an intellect as sharp as Perturabo's and a philosophy as unforgiving and ruthless as his, the Decimation sounds as potent a test of his Legion as any other trial. The idea that a tenth of a Legion would simply end their lives - not in combat - at the behest of their Primarch is chilling and is also a moment that speaks volumes of the character of the Iron Warriors as a whole. Your mileage may vary, of course (and this point is probably best served discussed elsewhere if we wish to continue as it is off-topic). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 And as Forge World presented it , I think the Decimation made Perturabo out to be a spoiled brat who breaks his toys for not being shiny enough, then whines all the harder because all his toys are broken. Much like his "Waaaaahhh! I wanna kill Sigismund! I want it l want l want it lwantitlwantitlwantit! WAAAAH!" temper tantrum in Crimson Fist. Maybe if the Emperor had given him some of those "Get your mind right!" Dad smacks Russ and Ferrus Manus got instead of coddling the crybaby, he would've stayed loyal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Well, yeah. That was the point, I think. For all his might and intelligence, Perturabo is a flawed demi-god. A monster, without disguise. When a god is flawed, and said god lashes out, death of those beneath him is the only result. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 How can anyone dislike the FW books? It's been clear from the beginning of the series that the Emperor specifically recruited legionaries that shared traits with their Primarchs. Wade, do you dislike that the X Legion was made up of techno barbarians because Medusans were techno barbarians? What about the White Scars being Asian because Chogorans were Asians? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 *finishes polishing armour* I'm sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I assume you were all agree that the III are the best legion. Who else has the Emperor granted such favour as us? *runs hand over palatine aquila* The Emperor is the embodiment of perfect, as such he would only honour the most perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 How can anyone dislike the FW books? It's been clear from the beginning of the series that the Emperor specifically recruited legionaries that shared traits with their Primarchs.Thank you for sharing your opinion. Of course, Corax wasn't a haughty tribal warrior like the Terran born XlX, Mortarion didn't practice night assaults and terror tactics like the Dusk Raiders, and the War Hounds were as disciplined as the Ultramarines (according to ADB's Betrayer. The allegedly superior Forge World lore has them as "RAAHR drag the enemy's blades down with our dead!" slobbering nut jobs since before the Great Crusade left the Sol System) and don't even get me started on the garbage they passed off as the Word Bearers lore. ("Here's lndex Astartes: Word Bearers and a copy of The First Heretic. I want everything in them contradicted as much as possible.") Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'll bite. I have misgivings of the fate of this thread but, yeah, I'll bite. *finishes polishing armour*I'm sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I assume you were all agree that the III are the best legion. Who else has the Emperor granted such favour as us?*runs hand over palatine aquila*The Emperor is the embodiment of perfect, as such he would only honour the most perfect. Hah, you may assume you are of the best Legion, Emperor's Child, but think again! Who stands at the Emperor's side, eh? Who are His chosen praetorians? With whom has He stood on the battlefield with more than any other? Not the gaudy third, cousin. Sure, you may bear a battle honour which no other Legion can, but who has the honour to stand by His side, to personally stand guard over the Himalazias, Terra, the Core Worlds? It is the implacable seventh. None other. We are the dependable right arm of the Emperor, not you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 M30.022 Excerpt of vox-broadcast by Warden Vorigio to the 19th Blood Angel Company, prior to reclamation of Artillius II "Focus brothers, focus...hear my voice...fight the fury that burns in each of our souls....draw back from the veil of rage...listen to me brothers...harness your hatred for those who truly deserve it. Forgive those who weren't there brothers, do not forget their losses and seek to put blame without cause...no, brothers, that is not the path our father chose...if we forget that, we lose to ourselves brothers...we become no better than the traitorous wretches we once called kin... Forgive those who don't know what it means to feel their father's passing...forgive those who don't hear their father's passing in their core as we do, forgive those who have never seen as we do, through his eyes at his last breath...his final days imprinted in our souls...the purity of rage in our father's voice...hear the name of those to truly hate...every single one of his brothers and their traitorous sons who turned from the Emperor's light...." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 How can anyone dislike the FW books? It's been clear from the beginning of the series that the Emperor specifically recruited legionaries that shared traits with their Primarchs. Wade, do you dislike that the X Legion was made up of techno barbarians because Medusans were techno barbarians? What about the White Scars being Asian because Chogorans were Asians? On a practical level he Forge world books are primarily rule books for their models. If you want to do a pre-Curze VIII then you can still use the Night Lord rules. If you do War Hounds you can still use the World Eater rules as they were still very aggressive. The background is as it is to fit the rules. Not he other way round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 How can anyone dislike the FW books? It's been clear from the beginning of the series that the Emperor specifically recruited legionaries that shared traits with their Primarchs.Thank you for sharing your opinion. Of course, Corax wasn't a haughty tribal warrior like the Terran born XlX, Because he was taken in by the slaves and not the slavers? Mortarion didn't practice night assaults and terror tactics like the Dusk Raiders We should ask the Iranians or Kurds how terrifying a massive chemical weapons attack was, since I doubt we can find many Europeans alive from WWI. I wonder how much more terrifying it would've been if walking tanks had stalked out of the mists and started blowing them apart as well. The Dusk Raiders always attacking at Dusk is a signature, not the only time they would fight. When the hell would they fight in space? the War Hounds were as disciplined as the Ultramarines (according to ADB's Betrayer. The allegedly superior Forge World lore has them as "RAAHR drag the enemy's blades down with our dead!" slobbering nut jobs since before the Great Crusade left the Sol System) Really? I understood it to be that they were primarily organized as shock infantry. YMMV I guess. By your estimation everyone hitting the beaches at Normandy was a rampaging berserker then? Or what about the 4th IDs 'thunder run' to Baghdad? Hell, why did they even have tanks, when clearly they just wanted to stab the Ba'athists to death? and don't even get me started on the garbage they passed off as the Word Bearers lore. ("Here's lndex Astartes: Word Bearers and a copy of The First Heretic. I want everything in them contradicted as much as possible.") I must've missed the part in the article (in any IA article) where they talked about the Terran recruits of the Unification era. I must've missed that part in all 18 articles. I don't think A DB covered anything besides the pilgrimage in TFH too. I don't seem to recall Argel Tal, a Colchisian, reminiscing about his days burning down temples and massacring monks. I also can't recall anyone in that book having been part of the Legion before Lorgar was found either. It's been a while since I've read it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Let's not tempt Heathens, you two. He does so love his phosphex. In any case. . . Have any of you ever witnessed an avalanche? A flash flood? A comet streaking through a field of asteroids? No? Pity. That's the Iron Tenth's means of war. Mass and velocity is all you need, and everything in your path can be overcome. Faith? Ignorance. Knowledge? Intangible. Ferocity? Anger is a tool only for one's opponent. Planning? Unravels at the sharp end of things. Surprise? A weapon most easily broken. Fear? We know no fear. Our brothers have their ways of war, which works for them, I suppose. But they're inferior. They rely on emotions, mental fallibility. Emotions are a weakness. Even pure unadulterated martial skill can be overcome by a concentration of force; even Astartes, for all our advantages, can be swarmed down by enough peons with clubs. . . the greenskins showed us that. Emotion is weakness, brothers. Aspire to the machine, for it knows only its purpose, and our purpose is killing. We fight like the planet-killing asteroid, the lava burst, the rock slide: pure, concentrated force smashing aside all in its path until the very earth is worn smooth and scorched by our passing. Do not bother yourself with ambushes or prayer or frothing rage. Don your armor, mount your tanks, and drive your swords and spears and axes into the very heart of the enemy and crush anything that stands in your way. Do that even once, and you will understand what it is like to fight as the Iron Tenth does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 This thread is officially on strike two. Back on track, folks. =][= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar_Pattern Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The First where too haughty, so they fell and became dark, solitary figures. The Second we do not talk of The Third strove for perfection, but only gained damnation The Fourth hated everything, and so they hated themselves The Fith where honour bound by their codes of warfare, and they wore it like shackles of a slave The Sixth where the Emperors Executioners, yet lacked the vision of civilisation The Seventh bound themselves to the Emperors will, yet lacked the ability to adapt The Eighth where murderers,rapists and thieves. Not worth the gift they where given. The Ninth where the angels of the Emperor, yet they carry their flaws with them always. The Tenth preferred Iron over Flesh, and it cost them their humanity The Eleventh are lost to us The Twelfth where war-dogs and they lost their sanity for it The Thirteenth followed dogma and protocol, and they couldn't see past it's unbending attitude . The Fourteenth where brutal, callous fighters and they lost their faith for it The Fifthteenth believed that knowledge is key, yet they lost themselves in the pursuit of it The Sixteenth where supposed to be the best of us, yet they failed themselves. The Seventeenth where the most pious, yet they cast themselves to dark gods when they lost themselves The Eighteenth believed in Humanity, yet their belief was their weakness The Twentieth where cloaked in mistrust and lies, so they lost themselves to it. Only the Nineteenth have remained strong, as while brothers and civilisations fall, the shadows will always remain. Only those in the Shadow of the Emperor can truely be loyal to him, as they are death, as they are his shadow. Victorus aut Mortis.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 So we all agree the 14th the best legion, good. Carry on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-eye Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The Fith where honour bound by their codes of warfare, and they wore it like shackles of a slave The exact opposite in fact :) They're probably the Legion with the greatest freedom of thought and fight, and - like their primarch - were probably the most pragmatic of all after the XXth. They're not tied to anything except their homeworld culture, which is a culture of victory, not of codes. IMHO of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Guys, this topic would be (and should be) ultra fun. Let's try to keep it so :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The Fith where honour bound by their codes of warfare, and they wore it like shackles of a slave The exact opposite in fact :) They're probably the Legion with the greatest freedom of thought and fight, and - like their primarch - were probably the most pragmatic of all after the XXth. They're not tied to anything except their homeworld culture, which is a culture of victory, not of codes. IMHO of course. The beauty of the background is that both are true in their own way. I do like romantic soul of the Vth though. Only the Nineteenth have remained strong, as while brothers and civilisations fall, the shadows will always remain. Only those in the Shadow of the Emperor can truely be loyal to him, as they are death, as they are his shadow. You use shadows as a shield of strength to cover your weakness. You hide from the fact that your farther once did what had to be done, to use the darkness of humanity, the black soul of the criminal, and hatred fire of the atom. You are scared to act, to do what must be done. You have exiled those who carry the darkness within, the ones who can fight this war, who would do what needs to be done, and you hide in the darkness without, pretending that it is all you can do. The XIX are cowards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 We of the XII Legion have been called madmen, butchers, or even animals. We are all of those things. This we do not deny. However, above all else, we are a force of nature - Mankind's most pure passion distilled and unleashed. We will not be collared by the will of the Emperor, unlike the dogs of the VI Legion. We will not be shackled by the worship of gods, unlike the serpents of the XVII Legion. We will not be constrained by the tenets of doctrine, unlike the wretches of the XIII Legion. A wildfire cares not what it consumes, only that it consumes. We care not who we kill, only that we kill. There is little difference between victorious slaughter and simple slaughter. Death comes in a thousand different forms - be it on the teeth of our chainaxes or from the muzzles of our bolters - the specifics matter little. All that matters is that death comes. It always does. The Sons of Mortarion may be death's heralds - but it is we who are its instruments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Only the Nineteenth have remained strong, as while brothers and civilisations fall, the shadows will always remain. Only those in the Shadow of the Emperor can truely be loyal to him, as they are death, as they are his shadow. Victorus aut Mortis.... Shadows always melt away before the flame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 "I tell you guys, I wish we still had some rememberancers around! I want to see one of them make a weekly pic drama, like one of those criminal investigation programs we used to watch. Every week, the Traitors would find another one of their number dead and then investigate who did it for an hour. And every week, it would just turn out to be Angron!" -Trooper August Fel, Siege of Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'll bite. I have misgivings of the fate of this thread but, yeah, I'll bite. *finishes polishing armour* I'm sorry, I haven't been paying attention. I assume you were all agree that the III are the best legion. Who else has the Emperor granted such favour as us? *runs hand over palatine aquila* The Emperor is the embodiment of perfect, as such he would only honour the most perfect. Hah, you may assume you are of the best Legion, Emperor's Child, but think again! Who stands at the Emperor's side, eh? Who are His chosen praetorians? With whom has He stood on the battlefield with more than any other? Not the gaudy third, cousin. Sure, you may bear a battle honour which no other Legion can, but who has the honour to stand by His side, to personally stand guard over the Himalazias, Terra, the Core Worlds? It is the implacable seventh. None other. We are the dependable right arm of the Emperor, not you. My poor cousin, you don't understand what truly happened. Why do you think your legion was held in "reserve" and then brought back to act as praetorians? A job the custodes do so well. I shall tell you the truth. You were a let down to our fathers' father. Even the word bearers were more capable than you. The emperor didn't want to lose another son, so he gave you a job you were capable of. Watching your betters conquer the galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Excuse me, but if anyone is going to be laying down burns in this thread its the Salamanders! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/296946-legion-smack-talk-thread/page/3/#findComment-3815698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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