Legion Smack Talk Thread

[Castiel]

Your Lord died because he was too headstrong and foolhardy to fall back. Had he let intelligence rather than emotion rule him that day then he may well have lived. Do not seek to blame us and the Ravens for your Lord and, by extension, his Legion's failure.

[Wade Garrett]

What need is there in evolution? We are Space Marines. We were made to kill, that is our purpose, and it is something we do exceedingly well. Anything else is sophistry and pretty lies.

Come now, lron Hand. Let us not waste one another's time with platitudes. You recognize the inadequacy of the Emperor's vision for the Legions as clearly as we do...in your own stunted way.

 

You and your brothers endlessly augment and alter their physical forms, seeking to become stronger, wiser, more than you are.

 

Your desire is laudable, but your path is flawed. What does it matter if the hand that holds the sword be meat or machine, if the will, the soul that drives it is weak?

 

That is the path of the XVll. My path. Bring me your so called "weak". Your ragged, and wretched. I shall set words in their minds and faith in their hearts and they shall burn worlds!

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Words do not pull the trigger.  Faith does not swing the sword.  Aspire to the machine.  Ave Omnissiah.

[Daemon2027]

I agree with the Iron Hand. Humanity's salvation is in the Omnissiah. Data is all there is. The human body is a corrupted, outdated machine, your emotions are bad data. The only logical recourse is to come one with the machine.

[Russ Brother 92]

Whilst I am not as much machine as my brethren here - you speak of the fault being ours for our father's death, you seek to impune our courage and lay claim that yours was greater? Yet it was not we who fled due to 'insurmountable odds', it was not the Iron Fist that broke upon the traitors shields or fled from battle, more akin to the blood-traitor curs of Nostramo...

 

It was the so called Dragon who broke down as requested retreat, but he and his kin at least fought like their namesake for long enough. The so called Raven of Corax, they fought more like the crow! Flying in where the enemy was WEAK and flitting away if the fight dared to become a battle... If any blame lies with one of the gene-bred this day it is with the crow and his kin of lacklustre 'warriors' who would rather flee than fight.

[Fire Golem]

The Ravens fought as they fight best, the Ravens survived THREE months being hunted by traitors across Istvaan V, the Ravens were the only legion to get their Primarch outta there in one piece, the Ravens performed rather well on the black sands of Istvaan considering the odds stacked against them.

[Wade Garrett]

If we must reject all our desires as merely "bad data", then what, pray tell, makes your aspirations towards lobomotized servitorhood any less of a flawed delusion than a World Eater's thirst for blood or the sadism of a Night Lord?

[Demus Ragnok]

Your Lord died because he was too headstrong and foolhardy to fall back. Had he let intelligence rather than emotion rule him that day then he may well have lived. Do not seek to blame us and the Ravens for your Lord and, by extension, his Legion's failure.

Were it not for the sacrifice of the Morlocks and the Gorgon not a single Raven nor Salamander would have left Istvann alive.

 

If that is failure. Then so be it.

[Wade Garrett]

Whilst I am not as much machine as my brethren here - you speak of the fault being ours for our father's death, you seek to impune our courage and lay claim that yours was greater? Yet it was not we who fled due to 'insurmountable odds', it was not the Iron Fist that broke upon the traitors shields or fled from battle, more akin to the blood-traitor curs of Nostramo...

 

It would seem that whatever piece of steel and wire is responsible for recording data into your memory is in dire need of replacement, oh son of Medusa. Tell me, how do you imagine any of your Legion survived lsstvan V, if not by taking to their heels in the face of overwhelming odds?

 

They ran, lron Hand. Even your vaunted Morlocks sought salvation in speed once the truth of their plight penetrated their rusting skulls. The only members of your Legion with the right to criticize the XVlll and the XlX for not fighting to the last will not do so on this side of the grave.

[Daemon2027]

Because we become pure, our thought are pure. Pain still remains, but as a piece of data, not as a factor to stop is, anger and rage are merely inputs to decide our aggression levels in war. We are in control. We are stronger. We are perfection.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

No brother, the failure of the Iron Tenth falls on the Gorgon.

 

He allowed his brother Fulgrim to escape him.

 

He ignored the counsel of his brothers Corax and Vulkan in pursuit of vengeance.

 

He ignored the deaths of three Legions to sate his thirst.

 

And the final failure is when he brought Fulgrim to combat, he fell before him.

 

These are the failures of the Gorgon, may his name be byword for folly forevermore.

 

WLK

[Russ Brother 92]

Pah! The 3 Legions are not of consequence - all that was need that black day was the strength of arms to be matched with steeled hearts and courageous minds... If both of my brother legions had held such devotion then YES my father may still have died, but for the cost of many more foes and what more can one ever hope for? Is not the blood of my father and our best warriors not enough? Do you still require a consolation prize for you efforts despite their lacking qualities...? Perhaps we were more akin to the bloody warriors of the red sands, but they DO fight and they fight well! We were as callous and brutal as those despicable children of Nostramo, perhaps, but I would hope that you do not one day feel the grip of rage like I did on that blasted landscape... To know the true horror of not only loss of your leader, but to feel reality torn from your grip, replaced by an undying, inexhaustible and unquenchable rage...

 

Know this brothers, the Iron Tenth WILL NOT FALL! We will march upon every dying remnant of the traitor legions and we shall laugh as the last sickly light dies in their eyes, then we will look to the horizons and march through the ashes to war once more.

[Daemon2027]

Sounds like to much emotion there. Come to my forge, I can adjust that.

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

 

Orders which came from the Emperor's Warmaster and which were validated by the Emperor's praetorian, Constantin Valdor.

While the flaws of Russ and his savages are many and varied, in this particular instance, they seem to be more sinned against than sinning.

No, the blame for Prospero can be laid squarely upon the gilded dullard who chose a Primarch less in control of himself than Angron and a Legion which never missed a chance to proclaim itself his executioners to "bring Magnus back alive".

What did He think was going to happen?

 

I dare say Brother Wade - the wolves have many flaws however they have not declared themselves executioners... merely stated that they're good at killing and much like all astartes are rather well known for it.

 

Either way my cousins of Prospero should have yielded - if they had followed the example of their lord Magnus they would have lived and their knowledge, along with their cities of glass would be standing today as a shining example of the strength in humility. :P

And we would have, had we been given any prior warning of what was to come and your 'Rout' had not simply opened fire on first contact. We had no choice, The Wolves clearly had no control over themselves and we had to save our knowledge which you so foolishly destroyed.

[Excessus]

The Ravens fought as they fight best, the Ravens survived THREE months being hunted by traitors across Istvaan V, the Ravens were the only legion to get their Primarch outta there in one piece, the Ravens performed rather well on the black sands of Istvaan considering the odds stacked against them.

Only because we allowed them to. If it weren't for our "long game", the XIX legionnaires and their Primarch would have had less success on the field that day, and wouldn't have escaped orbit...

[The_son_of_Dorn]

yo momma so iron, shes more 'Fe' than she is PMT 

 

wurd 

[Castiel]

The tenth do themselves no credit by failing to acknowledge their failure on Istvaan V. Ferrus sought to press home a killing blow with a blade not long or sharp enough to land a mortal blow, and paid the price with his life. There is no shame or failure in knowing when to fall back to strike again, but Manus was not pragmatic enough to see it. He left himself cut off and alone with his stubbornness, a sin only compounded when the treachery of fully 4 other legions turned against us and so many of the Iron Hands were not near enough the dropships to escape and live to fight another day.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

The tenth do themselves no credit by failing to acknowledge their failure on Istvaan V. Ferrus sought to press home a killing blow with a blade not long or sharp enough to land a mortal blow, and paid the price with his life. There is no shame or failure in knowing when to fall back to strike again, but Manus was not pragmatic enough to see it. He left himself cut off and alone with his stubbornness, a sin only compounded when the treachery of fully 4 other legions turned against us and so many of the Iron Hands were not near enough the dropships to escape and live to fight another day.

 

The blade was plenty long and sharp enough.  There were three hands pushing that blade into Horus' neck. . . until two of them let go because they lacked the conviction to finish the job.  Vulkan and Corax weren't willing to sacrifice their sons to achieve victory.  They lacked the will to succeed and let their doubts and their compassion blind them to the simple and obvious truth of warfare: men die.

[Castiel]

Horus would not have died that day, nor Angron nor Mortarion even if Fulgrim had fallen. What would have been the use of killing one enemy primarch only to lose 3 of those that remained loyal along with their legions?

[Slips]

yo momma so iron, shes more 'Fe' than she is PMT 

 

wurd 

Going to warn you now that "yo mamma" jokes were banned under punishment of phosphex bombardment by Heathens...

 

*sniffs the air for any sign of phosphex*

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

And we would have, had we been given any prior warning of what was to come and your 'Rout' had not simply opened fire on first contact. We had no choice, The Wolves clearly had no control over themselves and we had to save our knowledge which you so foolishly destroyed.

 

Ah, how foolish the justifications of a Traitor. Only the truly damned could see following the orders of our Primarch as 'lacking control'. It was not with glee we descended on Tizca, merely necessity. You had a choice to stand down and keep your city intact, you chose poorly, just as your Father before you when he broke with the Emperor's ruling. Do not seek to blame those who buried your degenerate Legion, we merely filled a grave you had dug yourselves.

[Excessus]

 

 

And we would have, had we been given any prior warning of what was to come and your 'Rout' had not simply opened fire on first contact. We had no choice, The Wolves clearly had no control over themselves and we had to save our knowledge which you so foolishly destroyed.

 

Ah, how foolish the justifications of a Traitor. Only the truly damned could see following the orders of our Primarch as 'lacking control'. It was not with glee we descended on Tizca, merely necessity. You had a choice to stand down and keep your city intact, you chose poorly, just as your Father before you when he broke with the Emperor's ruling. Do not seek to blame those who buried your degenerate Legion, we merely filled a grave you had dug yourselves.

 

Who do you think you are fooling, Emperor's dog, you wouldn't have left the city intact nor the civilian populace unhurt in either case. Primarch Magnus broke the Emperor's ruling out of neccessity, just as many other legions did after Istvaan, and yours did even before. To try to justify your wrong actions in retrospect is just as foolish as you claim the "traitors" to be.

 

 

Either way you failed horribly, a loyal legion fell to the lures of chaos out of a need for survival after your unprovoked onslaught and yours was decimated badly. It was a clear win for Horus, your Emperor must be so proud...

 

Hydra dominatus!

[Leif Bearclaw]

Who do you think you are fooling, Emperor's dog, you wouldn't have left the city intact nor the civilian populace unhurt in either case. Primarch Magnus broke the Emperor's ruling out of neccessity, just as many other legions did after Istvaan, and yours did even before. To try to justify your wrong actions in retrospect is just as foolish as you claim the "traitors" to be.

Either way you failed horribly, a loyal legion fell to the lures of chaos out of a need for survival after your unprovoked onslaught and yours was decimated badly. It was a clear win for Horus, your Emperor must be so proud...

Hydra dominatus!

Don't need to fool anyone, we did what was required of us, as was our wyrd from inception. If only the XX had retained that message, we may well all inhabit a brighter galaxy than the one you tried to drag into darkness. But what else can one expect form an Astartes, too absorbed by needless guile and doublespeak, to understand the concept of decimation (specifically, it's a specific proportion of losses, how can you be decimated 'badly'?) .

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

 

And we would have, had we been given any prior warning of what was to come and your 'Rout' had not simply opened fire on first contact. We had no choice, The Wolves clearly had no control over themselves and we had to save our knowledge which you so foolishly destroyed.

 

Ah, how foolish the justifications of a Traitor. Only the truly damned could see following the orders of our Primarch as 'lacking control'. It was not with glee we descended on Tizca, merely necessity. You had a choice to stand down and keep your city intact, you chose poorly, just as your Father before you when he broke with the Emperor's ruling. Do not seek to blame those who buried your degenerate Legion, we merely filled a grave you had dug yourselves.

And how were we supposed to stand down? You came upon like an assassin in the night, filling Prospero's skies with the fires of your lances. If it were not for the warning of Ahriman we too would have perished in the flame. And then you came at us, like dogs let off their leash, even when we did not fire at you, you fired at us unprovoked and you say it was your master was to blame? Your master's incompetence may have led to you assaulting us, but if the Space Wolves had even an iota of self control the entire crisis might have been averted. But alas, it was Tzeentch who plotted your attack, so you are not truly to blame, for is a puppet to blame when his master pulls his strings the wrong way?

[GhostMalone]

For an astrates to fufill his purpose on the battlefield he must release all forms of violence from physical to psychological trauma, we were meant to hold our race in check by threat of death and a horrible painfull death at that.

 

The sons of the XIVth use chemical agents

The sons of the XVIIth use rituals and hocus pocus

The sons of the XIXth use the shadows

The sons of the XVIIIth use the flames of war

The sons of the IVth do it from the distance

The sons of the VIIth do it from behind battlements and in the void

 

 

Each of the legions have there way.

 

 

 

 

 

Yet only the XIIth are feared and reveared in equal measure, for every time a champion of order is shown he fights a son of the XIIth and every time it is a trial of body mind and soul.

 

 

So everyone must acknowledge our superiority