Legion Smack Talk Thread

[Castiel]

Feared and revered, you say? You may be feared for your lack of control and insane bloodlust, but no-one has ever revered you. Pitied, you were, whilst in service to the Emperor. for you were so damaged and lacking in control that it was saddening to see brothers that could have stood so high brought so low. Now in service to the other powers you are only reviled, for you have fallen from what little grace you once had. You don't kill for a cause, but for the joy of killing. We were supposed to be humanities greatest protectors, making the galaxy safe for our people, yet you gloried in your ability to kill them. Only Curze is worthy of more contempt that your "primarch".

[Excessus]

Feared and revered, you say? You may be feared for your lack of control and insane bloodlust, but no-one has ever revered you. Pitied, you were, whilst in service to the Emperor. for you were so damaged and lacking in control that it was saddening to see brothers that could have stood so high brought so low. Now in service to the other powers you are only reviled, for you have fallen from what little grace you once had. You don't kill for a cause, but for the joy of killing. We were supposed to be humanities greatest protectors, making the galaxy safe for our people, yet you gloried in your ability to kill them. Only Curze is worthy of more contempt that your "primarch".

Yet even in their darkest moments, they still had a honour of sorts. The believed in the bonds between them and the brotherhood that it brought. For the longest, they did not give in to despair, but tried their hardest to keep in control, even as the nails were eating into their brains. Their willpower and personal discipline is hard to compare, imagine a Space Wolf with the nails, or a Blood Angel...would they be even half as controlled that the XII Legion were?

The Emperor denied Primarch Angron his glory-death, but did not save his comrades and brothers from the slaughter. The research on the nails was abandoned by the Emperor, and Primarch Angron with it. Even so he did His bidding, brought conquest and compliance where none were before and brought his fair share of systems into the Imperial fold. Some of those conquests did not have to be, yes, but in the end all fell before their savage might.

Also, do not speak ill of the VIII and their tactics...there is a well thought out plan behind it. How many stubborn systems gave up without a fight with even the rumour about the VIII joining the fight?

Is this just me or does this thread feel like the old bantering between the Blood Angel and Chaos warrior in the old Warhammer Monthly editorial?

[Castiel]

Feared and revered, you say? You may be feared for your lack of control and insane bloodlust, but no-one has ever revered you. Pitied, you were, whilst in service to the Emperor. for you were so damaged and lacking in control that it was saddening to see brothers that could have stood so high brought so low. Now in service to the other powers you are only reviled, for you have fallen from what little grace you once had. You don't kill for a cause, but for the joy of killing. We were supposed to be humanities greatest protectors, making the galaxy safe for our people, yet you gloried in your ability to kill them. Only Curze is worthy of more contempt that your "primarch".

Yet even in their darkest moments, they still had a honour of sorts. The believed in the bonds between them and the brotherhood that it brought. For the longest, they did not give in to despair, but tried their hardest to keep in control, even as the nails were eating into their brains. Their willpower and personal discipline is hard to compare, imagine a Space Wolf with the nails, or a Blood Angel...would they be even half as controlled that the XII Legion were?

The Emperor denied Primarch Angron his glory-death, but did not save his comrades and brothers from the slaughter. The research on the nails was abandoned by the Emperor, and Primarch Angron with it. Even so he did His bidding, brought conquest and compliance where none were before and brought his fair share of systems into the Imperial fold. Some of those conquests did not have to be, yes, but in the end all fell before their savage might.

Also, do not speak ill of the VIII and their tactics...there is a well thought out plan behind it. How many stubborn systems gave up without a fight with even the rumour about the VIII joining the fight?

Is this just me or does this thread feel like the old bantering between the Blood Angel and Chaos warrior in the old Warhammer Monthly editorial?

Some of what you say is true, but they abandoned any right to respect when they abandoned the Emperor.

And do not speak to me of the VIII legion, for they are truly monsters. At least Angron's bloody butchers do not torture and terrify in the same way that Curze and his brood of monsters did. Ruling through fear is no way to rule at all.

[Wade Garrett]

Ah, the famed morality of Vulkan's Legion shows itself. A fine performance, Salamander.

 

But that is all it is, a facade as empty as a Chemosian thespishroud.

 

Tell me, Salamander, did you mouth those same hypocrisies to the men and women you burned alive during the Great Crusade? Do you imagine that their agonies were lessened because you immolated them in the name of some ill defined "greater good" instead of mere bloodlust?

 

You call the Haunter's sons liars, yet in many ways they are the most honest of us all, the grinning skull beneath the False Emperor's smiling deceptions.

 

"Kneel or suffer." That was the choice they offered, the same as you, as us, or any stoic Ultramarine or preening Angel. Do you hate them for their own sins...or for the way their actions mirror your own hypocrisy?

[Excessus]

 

Ruling through fear is no way to rule at all.

 

But that is how the Imperium is held together, with fear.

 

Your utopian ideals does not hold water for the Imperium as a whole, Salamander, they never did. The Imperial Truth is a well written lie, and both The Emperor and the arch-schemer Malcador knew it from the start. The Imperium is like a castle built in a desert, the walls are tough but it has no foundation to stand on. It will crumble in time and humanity will suffer for it, no matter your actions...

[Castiel]

Ah, the famed morality of Vulkan's Legion shows itself. A fine performance, Salamander.

 

But that is all it is, a facade as empty as a Chemosian thespishroud.

 

Tell me, Salamander, did you mouth those same hypocrisies to the men and women you burned alive during the Great Crusade? Do you imagine that their agonies were lessened because you immolated them in the name of some ill defined "greater good" instead of mere bloodlust?

 

You call the Haunter's sons liars, yet in many ways they are the most honest of us all, the grinning skull beneath the False Emperor's smiling deceptions.

 

"Kneel or suffer." That was the choice they offered, the same as you, as us, or any stoic Ultramarine or preening Angel. Do you hate them for their own sins...or for the way their actions mirror your own hypocrisy?

Their deaths were quick and clean, unlike the poor souls made to suffer agonising deaths by Curze's wretches. The choice was "kneel or be forced to kneel". When we killed it was only when we had to and as few as possible. Few of the other Legions could say the same. We do not shrug the responibility for those deaths we caused, but the deaths the Haunter caused should make all men shudder.

[Excessus]

 

Ah, the famed morality of Vulkan's Legion shows itself. A fine performance, Salamander.

 

But that is all it is, a facade as empty as a Chemosian thespishroud.

 

Tell me, Salamander, did you mouth those same hypocrisies to the men and women you burned alive during the Great Crusade? Do you imagine that their agonies were lessened because you immolated them in the name of some ill defined "greater good" instead of mere bloodlust?

 

You call the Haunter's sons liars, yet in many ways they are the most honest of us all, the grinning skull beneath the False Emperor's smiling deceptions.

 

"Kneel or suffer." That was the choice they offered, the same as you, as us, or any stoic Ultramarine or preening Angel. Do you hate them for their own sins...or for the way their actions mirror your own hypocrisy?

Their deaths were quick and clean, unlike the poor souls made to suffer agonising deaths by Curze's wretches. The choice was "kneel or be forced to kneel". When we killed it was only when we had to and as few as possible. Few of the other Legions could say the same. We do not shrug the responibility for those deaths we caused, but the deaths the Haunter caused should make all men shudder.

 

No matter how they died, dead is still dead. The dead feel nothing, and does not remember if their last moments alive was agonizing or not. You can just gas their barracks in the night, quick, effective and painless. No need to fight already dead soldiers.

[Daemon2027]

Lizard. You are a monster, hiding behind humanity. And do you think this humanity is what you are there for? Do you think you were created to be human? When the compliances stop, when you refuse to fight an enemy in the name of humanity, do you think the Emperor will tap you on the back, tell you that you are right. Look at the XVIIth. Look past their beliefs. Their actions were in the name of humanity. They built great cities, made societies for humans to flourish. But that is not what they are for. They, and you lizard, were designed to fight, to kill, to tear down society, to do the things humanity is not supposed to do. To be monsters. If it wasn't for the warmasters war, how long do you think the emperor would allow your humanity to get in the way of conquest.

 

Curze and his legion may be twisted monsters who have gone to far, but least they see the reality of the universe.

[Castiel]

 

No matter how they died, dead is still dead. The dead feel nothing, and does not remember if their last moments alive was agonizing or not. You can just gas their barracks in the night, quick, effective and painless. No need to fight already dead soldiers.

 

 

Dead is still dead, but that is no reason to make them suffer unnecessarily while they still live.

 

Lizard. You are a monster, hiding behind humanity. And do you think this humanity is what you are there for? Do you think you were created to be human? When the compliances stop, when you refuse to fight an enemy in the name of humanity, do you think the Emperor will tap you on the back, tell you that you are right. Look at the XVIIth. Look past their beliefs. Their actions were in the name of humanity. They built great cities, made societies for humans to flourish. But that is not what they are for. They, and you lizard, were designed to fight, to kill, to tear down society, to do the things humanity is not supposed to do. To be monsters. If it wasn't for the warmasters war, how long do you think the emperor would allow your humanity to get in the way of conquest.

 

Curze and his legion may be twisted monsters who have gone to far, but least they see the reality of the universe.

First of all I find a son of the Alpha Legion calling anyone lizard amusing, but I suppose your kind are more akin to snakes in the grass. And the difference between the sons of Lorgar and the Sons of Vulkan is that we didn't let our desire to build a better world slow the conquests we had to make. We are made to fight and kill, and we do it as well as any, but that is no reason to destroy and kill where there is no need to. We fought, but preserved as much as we could so that when the war was over the process of rebuilding would be all the speedier.

[The Red Thirst]

Imagine a Space Wolf with the nails, or a Blood Angel...would they be even half as controlled that the XII 

 

My kin and I have no need for mechanical parasites to enhance our Rage and Bloodlust. Our martial prowess is the equal of our fallen cousins of the XII. We are Angels of Death, cursed and blessed in equal measure like our Primarch before us.

[Russ Brother 92]

I see you all, my brothers and once cousins the anger set in your minds... I say look here and now, see we are all the same, except one kindred amongst us knows the truth. The real truth, and that is the truth of death - only those who embrace death and decay more than any other (I speak not of Mortarion and his ilk for they fear death and are worse for it), I speak of the once proud, now humble and strengthened tenth legion.

 

We have taken more punishment on the battlefield than any of your kindreds combined, we have also taken more destruction to our souls than all of you - we have lost our great king and yet we hold to our strength and our honour - we know in the cold logic of day that only the truly strong will stand through the ages - not as a beacon of hope or light, but as the pit of darkness, the shining tempered rage of a warrior-king unleashed.

 

That my brethren is what my legion and I have become - traitors, friends and foes alike shall fear our coming for it shall mean death and destruction with no quarter given. Those who do not fight the enemies of the Great Omnissiah are equal to traitors themselves and will burn in the purges which follow.

 

We don't stop for we have no need for rest, we don't fear for we have no need for emotion and we don't die for our work is not yet finished - THAT is the strength of Iron. Know this and you shall be saved - face us and you WILL die.

[Excessus]

 

Imagine a Space Wolf with the nails, or a Blood Angel...would they be even half as controlled that the XII 

 

My kin and I have no need for mechanical parasites to enhance our Rage and Bloodlust. Our martial prowess is the equal of our fallen cousins of the XII. We are Angels of Death, cursed and blessed in equal measure like our Primarch before us.

 

Exactly my point. Since you are bloodthirsty monsters without it, imagine what would happen with it! The XII was good and well before the nails, it was not because of the combat power it brought that they installed them...

[The Red Thirst]

 

 

Imagine a Space Wolf with the nails, or a Blood Angel...would they be even half as controlled that the XII 

 

My kin and I have no need for mechanical parasites to enhance our Rage and Bloodlust. Our martial prowess is the equal of our fallen cousins of the XII. We are Angels of Death, cursed and blessed in equal measure like our Primarch before us.

 

Exactly my point. Since you are bloodthirsty monsters without it, imagine what would happen with it! The XII was good and well before the nails, it was not because of the combat power it brought that they installed them...

 

HERESY!!!

 

The Emperor has forbid the use of the Nails and our Primarch condemns and pities Angron as if he were a broken child.

 

Besides... having a chained beast in our hearts is bad enough without being labotomised drooling madmen aswell.

[Excessus]

Then one would expect a measure of understanding between you and your cousins. Who better to understand a man that has a monster preying on his mind, than one with a monster praying on his heart...

[The Red Thirst]

Then one would expect a measure of understanding between you and your cousins. Who better to understand a man that has a monster preying on his mind, than one with a monster praying on his heart...

Those with broken souls can still think rationally, those with broken minds are nothing but chained lunatics

[Relict]

 

 

 

Imagine a Space Wolf with the nails, or a Blood Angel...would they be even half as controlled that the XII 

 

My kin and I have no need for mechanical parasites to enhance our Rage and Bloodlust. Our martial prowess is the equal of our fallen cousins of the XII. We are Angels of Death, cursed and blessed in equal measure like our Primarch before us.

 

Exactly my point. Since you are bloodthirsty monsters without it, imagine what would happen with it! The XII was good and well before the nails, it was not because of the combat power it brought that they installed them...

 

HERESY!!!

 

The Emperor has forbid the use of the Nails and our Primarch condemns and pities Angron as if he were a broken child.

 

Besides... having a chained beast in our hearts is bad enough without being labotomised drooling madmen aswell.

 

 

"Chained beast", you say?

 

You drape yourselves in pelts and call yourselves the Emperor's executioners. An executioner murders helpless prey. Tell me, Space Wolf, how did you fare when you met us, your equals, on the field of battle on the Night of the Wolf? Did we not blood our axes and splinter your shields? Did we not send you, tails tucked between your legs, yelping back to your transports? It was true that you had our father at your mercy, but depriving us of our father would not have crippled us. We World Eaters abide only by the purest of Man's passions - to kill. Angron is our gene-sire and an exemplar of that passion. We fought and died before he came us. We will continue to fight and die, with or without him. 

 

You look down your noses at us, the savages, the madmen. You think you know honor? Honor is serving a distant Emperor despite Him choosing to ignore our sacrifices in favor of other, prettier Legions. You think you know kinship? Kinship is willing breaking ourselves upon the same anvil our father was broken upon, if only for a chance of understanding him. 

[Russ Brother 92]

Cousin, Child of the Red Sands... I believe your cogitators and sensory arrays are incorrectly aligned for you have mistaken a son of Baal for one of the Wolves...

 

As it is, anyone who destroys their battlefield effectiveness to "understand" one's sire is obviously confusing emotion or lack thereof and a lacking efficiency - you state that you killed before the nails and would be killing long after your sire is dead and gone - and yet your only true way of killing now is the most insufficient, if you had not taken your ill-designed creations I'm sure your tactics would still be lauded this day and your Legio would be far the better for it.

 

Now we of the Xth know how to get efficiency from any warrior, if the foe takes an arm we can have that wounded man back in the fight within 3-6 hours, for steel and iron make quick work unlike vat-bred limbs taking months to acclimatise.

[Vulkan's Charge]

I just want to say that this is an excellent thread you have here. I have been lurking on this forum for a while but have finally decided to make an account just so I can post here.

 

"Humanity. That is the only reason we fight this war. That is the only reason the great crusade continues ever on. Humanity. Brothers you seem to have forgotten that you were once the same flesh and blood we fight to protect now. You seem to have forgotten you once had a mother and a father, kin whose blood you shared. Only the XVIII have not forgotten that bond, only we fight for that bond .Before you judge the actions of others, judge those of yourself. We the XVIII fight for humanity, for those who cannot protect themselves. How many of you, brothers, can say the same? The light is fading and we are the ones who must hold on to it. Not for ourselves, but for those who will follow us into the light. We were not created to wage war for eternity. We were created to carry humanity towards the future.

For our Father Vulkan and The Emperor of Mankind. We will be the flames that keep the enemies of humanity at bay.

 

- Unnamed Son of Vulkan.

[Daemon2027]

(Vulkans Charge, welcome to the B&C and the madness of the Heresy Forum :) )

 

Yes we were once of human blood, but we were made better, stronger, faster, more durable, more intelligent, more focused, and less reliant on emotions. We were taken from our biological fathers and made into the sons of Titans. We have fought to make this empire, we have earned our place at the head of it. We fight to free humanity, of the tyrant that is the Emperor, but they must not forget who their masters truly are. Your obsession with humanity is beneath what you were designed for.

[Vulkan's Charge]

(Cheers Daemon :) ) 

 

Brother that is why you and the rest of our forsaken kin fell to the temptations of the ruinous powers.You always believed you were better, that you were above the rest of us. You held yourself on a plinth so high that you could not see the ground; and when that plinth toppled, you found you could no longer even relate to your own species. This universe does not need gods, it does not need masters, someday it will not even need us. The Emperor is humanity's salvation, he will lead us through the encroaching darkness and into a time of peace. We, the legions, were made to be the flames that hold back the darkness. We were not created to rule over mankind but to liberate it and protect it as it traverses the darkness into the light. Like our brothers of the X legion say, The Flesh is weak, but that is exactly why we must protect it.

 

You look down on me now for my obsession with humanity, well I look down on your because you have lost your humanity. The Promethean Code tells us that nothing is above the sanctity of human life, that we are Vulkan's shield, here to protect the innocent and defend the weak. To be loyal to Vulkan and the Emperor, to triumph over adversity, to show compassion and to fight with honour, but most of all, to sacrifice ourselves for the greater good, for humanity. We are the hammer and anvil that will break the enemies of mankind. We are the Legiones Astartes and even we are not fallible, but what my legion has that yours does not brother, is hope. The hope for a better future. The hope for a future without war.

 

On the anvil of war are the strong tempered and the weak made to perish, and unlike us brother, you and the rest of your traitorous kin have been found wanting. 

[Excessus]

Perhaps this galaxy does not need gods, but it has them all the same. The ruinous powers, allies of the schemer Erebus and his ilk are here to stay whether we like it or not. Given the chance they will devour the galaxy and all of us with it, so which side do you choose, son of Nocturne? The winning side or losing side?

 

It's only a matter of time in either case, you might prevail in this war, but the enmity and hatred of the four is eternal. What has started cannot be stopped by any means you have access to...

[Castiel]

Perhaps this galaxy does not need gods, but it has them all the same. The ruinous powers, allies of the schemer Erebus and his ilk are here to stay whether we like it or not. Given the chance they will devour the galaxy and all of us with it, so which side do you choose, son of Nocturne? The winning side or losing side?

 

It's only a matter of time in either case, you might prevail in this war, but the enmity and hatred of the four is eternal. What has started cannot be stopped by any means you have access to...

I choose to fight, and hold back the darkness, for that is why we were made. Unlike our "brothers" of the traitor legions we do not run yelping to the darkness to save our selves because you claim we cannot defeat it. We Salamanders will show you that it can be fought, and what it truly means to be Astartes, to stand as the greatest protectors of Mankind.

[Excessus]

But that is the lie you live on, "loyalist". You were not made to protect mankind, you were made to advance The Emperor's plans of godhood. You are but pawns in His great schemes, and if mankind is getting protected, that's just a byproduct. If you truly wanted to protect mankind, you would seek to evolve them, not to hold them back like an over-protective parent.

 

Strife is what drives humanity forward, it's what births innovation and inspires artists! Put humanity in the great cauldron of strife and conflict and you would perhaps see the powerless and weak emerge as strong and powerful. War is the means to an end, and through that, humanity will evolve or die out, that is the stakes we play, that is the game.

[Castiel]

But that is the lie you live on, "loyalist". You were not made to protect mankind, you were made to advance The Emperor's plans of godhood. You are but pawns in His great schemes, and if mankind is getting protected, that's just a byproduct. If you truly wanted to protect mankind, you would seek to evolve them, not to hold them back like an over-protective parent.

 

Strife is what drives humanity forward, it's what births innovation and inspires artists! Put humanity in the great cauldron of strife and conflict and you would perhaps see the powerless and weak emerge as strong and powerful. War is the means to an end, and through that, humanity will evolve or die out, that is the stakes we play, that is the game.

The Emperor aimed to hide knowledge of these so called "Gods" so that weak-minded fools like the traitor legions would not fall to their taint. He even chastised that whelp Lorgar for worshipping him, and you say he sought to become a god? I laugh at such a foolish notion. We do not seek to prevent mankind from evolving, but aim to make the stars safe for them to do so in. As for this "evolution" you speak of. It is not evolution, it is mutation and damnation through a power you do not truly understand and it has twisted your minds and souls. Poisoned is the chalice of "evolution" you have drunk from, and suffering and pain is all that your folly has wrought.

[Excessus]

I speak not of the corrupted XVIIth and their version of "evolution", but to humanity as a whole, all throughout the history of mankind even before Old Night. But live in your bubble of ignorance, green cousin, the true age of enlightenment is upon us!