The Ragged Knight - Spoilers

[Loesh]

As an example, what ADB just said is a lot more professional then what i'm used to even if it does address personal things, and that's with the little disclaimer under his signature.

 

I'm used to much more aggressive and negative things from Blizzard with no such thing in their sig. I don't know, maybe I just have exceedingly low standards.

[incinerator950]

Dark Souls is restoring my faith that FROM knows what it is doing. Blizzard I haven't touched since BroodWar, but then I stopped reading novelia for a while until I found out that Lovecrafts works are being collected for free as no one is left for IP claims.

[Loesh]

Dark Souls is restoring my faith that FROM knows what it is doing. Blizzard I haven't touched since BroodWar, but then I stopped reading novelia for a while until I found out that Lovecrafts works are being collected for free as no one is left for IP claims.

 

Dark Souls 2 I feel was worse then it's predecessor, but still feels like the best game to come out lately. As for Blizzard...probably for the best.

 

I suppose professional isn't totally the right word, but the flexibility of canon and interaction with the community makes me feel like GW treats it's customers a lot better then other companies who either dehumanize their audience or treat them with outright contempt.

[incinerator950]

I don't consider it that way, but then I don't feel like adding to it.

 

I haven't played DS2, but I lost a lot of faith after Armored Core V. What could have been a step in the right direction turned out dumbed down, with extra minor content to buy to enhance your game performance and a plot emptying so bad I thought FROM bastardized FM and used AC as a background with Chromehounds command knockoffs. And AC has some of the most boring plots, but holy hell.

 

Dumbing down for new people so everyone can get in turns out to be a bad decision if nobody wants to get in.

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah, my personal opinion is if its convoluted, leave it that way. It separates the strong from the weak an only the true fans will learn it all.

[incinerator950]

Yeah but... they made it more convoluted.

[Loesh]

Yeah but... they made it more convoluted.

 

Each of the Legions has now nominated aspirants seeking to throw themselves upon our mercy in the vain hope that we may deem them worthy to join our ranks. Those loyal to the shrunken corpse on Terra still cling to their own processes by which perhaps one in a hundred neophytes may survive to become a battle brother. The methods I have developed over the last millennia are more stringent, for we must be pure in our hatred and hard of heart, body and soul. Fewer than one in every thousand survive, and I strive each day to lengthen these odds still further. - Fabulous Bile

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah but... they made it more convoluted.

Like convoluted there is a ton of information and sometimes it might take looking at several sources together to realize one epiphany or convoluted just for convoluted's sake?

[incinerator950]

Well I was referring to ACV, but I suppose in the context of 40k, it can be both with presented sourcebooks, offhand novels, and perception between army focus.

[daboarder]

 

eh, we're seeing a lot more "history" being thrown into the 40k unniverse by authors, for example there are pages discussing "frankish" relics in pariah by adnett, I'm not a fan, it seems concieted to think that anything at all of the last 1000 years or so would survive for another 30,000 years, let alone 40,000, theres just a HUGE difference on scale

 

Actually, that's one of my pet peeves, too. But there's a difference between, say (to use your example) "discussing Frankish relics" and finding a USSR rocket in Pariah, and going into the moments daemons are born. Khorne was 'born' in the Middle Ages, during the wars that took place there. Hearkening back to that isn't me throwing history into 40K. It's not relics from our time surviving 30,000+ years. It's Khorne's actual lore, and exactly how daemons are born - how Khorne himself was born - and the Ragged Knight is specifically a lesser echo of its sire, with a similar and more detailed genesis, like many of its ilk.

 

 

 

 

....I dislike the idea that ADB is changing the history of 40k

 

I'm not changing the history of 40K. Don't worry.

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree, we do know what happened to all the primarchs, even if its only "was lost in the eye of terror, but prophesied to return" changing that to "was lost in the warp and killed with the talon of horus" is a huge change, one that I do not welcome. as I said, its as bad as the BS mortarions heart business was and is a silly idea for all the reasons that abomination of background is.

Trust me, it isn't what you think. Finish the novel, and then let me know who pops up at the end.

Hey thats fine by me man, liking the book so far, even if the cynical part of me feels like segments of it are ADB lecturing us about his opinion on the state of the legions in 40k (a discussion we've done to death multiple times on this forum)

Interestingly enough, when you write books for Black Library, you kind of get to write things the way you want them to be. What's even crazier is that when you're a NYT best selling author, your editors give you a little more wiggle room in your projects and trust you to write major books about big time characters in the setting.

 

 

"An opinion" (it's not an opinion, by the way, it's an explanation) "done to death multiple times on this forum" means it's something that 0.000001% of the 40K fandom will have seen. Trust me, I sympathise with you, daboarder, in terms of being weary of the same topic on here, but remember - this isn't me lecturing you on my opinion of something. It's a character that actually lives that life, going through all of it personally. I can't leave out the function and presentation of the Chaos Marine Legions just because you've seen me discuss it on a forum several times over the course of four years. It's an integral part of the process, and a massive part in their daily life and function, affecting almost all that a warband does.

 

Hey mate, just wanted to say a few things now that I've finished the book.

 

Firstly, the whole second primarch thing clicked on me about half way through, really nicely done man, good hook and resolution that really respects the background. Love it.

 

Also, nice to hear your thoughts in history in 40k, I'll admit I would have preffered a bit more use of vauge/alternate terminology describing the ragged knight, but I get where you were going and the old slaves background is still brilliant so that was good too.

 

As for the whole opinion thing, yeah I get where you are coming from, I was more trying to suggest it would have been nice to see some nod to the other side of the old "legions are dead" arguments. I may not be getting this across well, but what I meant was that sure the EC and WE died at skalathrax, but the warbands themselves can be several times larger than a chapter and the WE at least have been nominally reforged between that time and 40k itself. I guess what I'm afraid of is now having to put up with the silly loyalists constantly telling me there is more difference between Ultramarines and Imperial Fists than their is between Death Guard warbands and World Eaters warbands, and using your book as evidence  that said armies dont deserve unique rules.

 

Finally I'd like to say Im really looking forward to more in the series, and I think I now fully trust you to handle the CSMs faithfully in many differing situations.

[Kol Saresk]

The World Eaters were reforged as a Legion? O_o

[daboarder]

The World Eaters were reforged as a Legion? O_o

 

In a sense (hence the "nominally"), the original background for Angron's Dominion of fire was his attempt to do so. (and 50,000 of them showing up is not really anything to sneeze at)

 

I'll see if I can find the quote, if I recall the original was only a footnote somewhere (as with much 40k background material)