Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 So I've been getting into the NL a lot lately, and I just had a quick question about ADBs night lords books. Are they worth reading from like a pre heresy standpoint? Or is it all focussed on post heresy. Also; this is the omnibus right? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849706123/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE I'm 99% it is but it has a different cover to the BL site; http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/night-lords-the-omnibus_.html Oh actually another thing, I know lots of people don't like it, but does Vulkan Lives have much about the NL (and Salamanders actually) or is it literally just Kurze and Vulkan? Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Well, let's put it this way. Take a Traitor who survived the Heresy, and then throw him into 40K without experiencing the ten thousand years in between. That's the trilogy. It is fully 40K. Funnily enough, Amazon has what the original omnibus cover was supposed to be, but apparently it received such negative views that BL went back to the drawing board and created the new one, which is shown on their website. And Vulkan Lives has nothing on the Salamanders, even less on the Night Lords and what little it does have on Curze and Vulkan has debatable value at best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 A D-B's Night Lords trilogy is post heresy, Vulkan Lives is just Vulkan Curse. If you haven't yet, pick up Prince of Crows for some sweet NL action. Both of those linked books are the Omnibus, just BL's is newer with an updated cover, the contents are the same. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 From memory, there are flashback scenes to the 30k era - Nighthaunter's death, the Scouring, a scene or two on Nostramo before the Heresy - and a few occasions where characters talk about events during the Heresy. The focus is 40k though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 I've read Prince of Crows, just finished it this morning for the third time :) and I know that ADBs NL books are set Post Heresy, but I guess my question was is there any value in it Pre Heresy wise? And is Vulkan Lives worth reading at all? Haha. I pretty much know the plot, I've read some summaries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The Trilogy is definitely 40k centric, but the flashbacks alone are worth the read. God, I still get chills when I read the part about the Scouring. Epic, epic stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I've read Prince of Crows, just finished it this morning for the third time and I know that ADBs NL books are set Post Heresy, but I guess my question was is there any value in it Pre Heresy wise? And is Vulkan Lives worth reading at all? Haha. I pretty much know the plot, I've read some summaries. If you mean the same value as what's in a Heresy novel, no. And if you've read the plot, then you're good. No need for unnecessary suffering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Okay, think I'm gonna order the Night Lords trilogy. I'll skip Vulkan Lives though haha. Is there anything else NL you'd recommend? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Okay, think I'm gonna order the Night Lords trilogy. I'll skip Vulkan Lives though haha. Is there anything else NL you'd recommend?Lord of the Night if you haven't read it yet. Other than that, there really isn't anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Okay thanks. In the end I ordered Visions of Heresy, and I'm trying to talk my girlfriend into buying me the NL omnibus haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Damn dude sounds like you've got yourself a Sugar Mamma (only joking :p). If on top of all this you get her into the hobby, well, you've got yourself quite the keeper. Speaking of Visions, I have to through my copy again...I don't remember seeing that much NL stuff in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Lord of the Night if you haven't read it yet. Other than that, there really isn't anything else.Yup it is a good book, too. If you are interested in Horus Heresy events, this book gives you a different view of the events surrounding Curze's death. After reading the NL trilogy though, I'm not sure whether Lord of the Night is a Night Lords Novel. It focuses on a single marine (of NL geneseed) who awakens after ten thousand years of stasis and a single inquisitorial Acolyte. By the end contemporary Night Lords also enter the picture but the largest chunk of the book is about two isolated people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Sol ruthis veh za jass! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 I'll keep an eye out for Lord of the Night as well then, thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Lord of the Night if you haven't read it yet. Other than that, there really isn't anything else.Yup it is a good book, too. If you are interested in Horus Heresy events, this book gives you a different view of the events surrounding Curze's death. After reading the NL trilogy though, I'm not sure whether Lord of the Night is a Night Lords Novel. It focuses on a single marine (of NL geneseed) who awakens after ten thousand years of stasis and a single inquisitorial Acolyte. By the end contemporary Night Lords also enter the picture but the largest chunk of the book is about two isolated people. It is, not because it focuses on many Night Lords, but because it focuses on how one Night Lord views his Legion. This book alone shaped many many many many many many many views of the fans concerning the VIII Legion and was responsible for creating the two primary camps of "Puritans" and "Radicals" with the Puritans being the no Marks and, more importantly, no daemons and/or mutations while the Radicals while go all the way to Daemon Princes. Of course, since then the two of started to grow varying shades, mostly thanks to A D-B's trilogy. But Lord of the Night is where it all began. The IA article was just flour for the cake. Lord of the Night was the cake for a great many. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Being that I just finished reading Lord of Night Thursday, I can definitely agree that it is a great read. Like has been said, it isn't Heresy centric but is most definitely worth the read for the legion specific fluff and the descriptions of using fear as a weapon. The twist at the end was awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Is it hard to come buy these days? It's not really on Amazon or BL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/Lord-of-the-Night-print-on-demand.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Oh. Thank you :) cool cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Sol ruthis veh za jass! Sounds like you have some scraps of a child stuck in your throat, misled cousin (oh this isn't the smack talk thread?) :P No but really, child cannabalism isn't funny - unless it's written by ADB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3819650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I wouldn't bother with 'Lord of the Night'. Nothing happens, other than a single Marine running around in the underbelly of a hive city and killing of various low lifes. Main gist of the story below, if you want to save yourself the time and money. While crawling through the slums, the Night Lord protagonist who had been frozen for the last ten thousand years and had not experienced anything since the Heresy is spinning a tale in his own head about how the poor Night Lords only ever did what was asked of them, but were then betrayed by the mean Emperor, who supposedly wanted them destroyed before the Heresy even started. That is not their actual background, of course, but a lot of readers fully embraced this romanticised and self-deluded reimagining of the murder scum Legion. At the end of the book the protagonist NL Marine is confronted by other members of the Legion and they openly mock him for believeing in those tales, confirming that, yes, the Night Lords were actually pretty nasty. But by that time a lot of readers had already bought into the faux story, and insisted that the other Night Lords were lying, even though they echoed the official Night Lords lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3820114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 If you're looking solely for action taking place in the Heresy, that'd be true. If you're looking for a Night Lord who literally only yesterday just witnessed the death of his father an you're looking for a Heresy-era Marine's view on the Night Lords Legion and Curze while at the same time illustrating the shattere psyche of the VIII Legion, especially when confronted by a polar opposite view from within the VIII, Lord of the Night is perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3820138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Thanks for the summary Legatus. I'll probably still give it a read. I'd welcome anything NL tbh, they need some more pre heresy stuff written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3820157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 +1 for the Lord of the Night. That book made me start collecting 40k at all. The only other book that affected me that much was Blood Gorgons by Henry Zou. As for ADBs trilogy... For some reason I don't like any of his NL-specific books, it feels like he tried very hard to portray them as very cool guys and overplayed it. All of his other books are way way better, for example Emperor's Gift made me change the way I'm calling GK from "silver jerks" to "grey knights". And of course the new generation of NL fans, grown on ABDs books, added to our glorious CSM codex, made me completely switch from 40k NL to FB WoC and 30k SoH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297295-adbs-night-lords-trilogy/#findComment-3820301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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