Himlur Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 So I just picked a Lib for my HQ slot, being that I don't have one yet. I started reading the psychic powers. I really like Biomancy, pyromancy, Telepathy along with Telekinesis. Now I'm not sure what we can use cause of the old codex. Can we use any power or just specific ones. Also any thoughts on what power trees would work best for BA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Can't use anything from the old codex. It's just the rulebook powers at this point. You can read the FAQ on the Black Library website. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Biomancy is great for librarians you expect to be in CC (in particular, Mephiston). If you're using your librarian in more of a support role, I personally like Telepathy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Biomancy is great value for our librarians, as there are almost no 'blank' spells that you won't use. It is especially good for Mephiston as any combination of iron arm, lightning reflexes and endurance on him turn him into an absolute monster. Life drain is also good for patching him up. Also note that furioso libbies with pyromancy are awesome drop pod alpha strikers. I dropped one on an IG player the other day and killed half his army with a single nova. If you take a flamer or frag cannon on him you can shoot his gun and his primaris at separate targets, which allows him to cripple multiple units in the same turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Nothing wrong with divination either. Also note that furioso libbies with pyromancy are awesome drop pod alpha strikers. I dropped one on an IG player the other day and killed half his army with a single nova. If you take a flamer or frag cannon on him you can shoot his gun and his primaris at separate targets, which allows him to cripple multiple units in the same turn.A Furioso Librarian cannot take a Frag Cannon. The Furioso librarian is a unit separate from the regular Furioso Dreadnought, as such he does not get the options of a regular Furioso. You were (unwittingly) cheating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himlur Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share Posted September 28, 2014 Cool thanks for the help guys. I'm glad I asked, was confused. I saw the Iron arm ability and was thinking, thats a little OP but ok can't complain if get it... lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raziel69r Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Nothing wrong with divination either. Also note that furioso libbies with pyromancy are awesome drop pod alpha strikers. I dropped one on an IG player the other day and killed half his army with a single nova. If you take a flamer or frag cannon on him you can shoot his gun and his primaris at separate targets, which allows him to cripple multiple units in the same turn.A Furioso Librarian cannot take a Frag Cannon. The Furioso librarian is a unit separate from the regular Furioso Dreadnought, as such he does not get the options of a regular Furioso. You were (unwittingly) cheating. Also can't take pyromancy, just thought i would point that out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I was about to say that myself... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I disagree with the interpretation that he can't take a frag cannon. As for pyromancy... Oops!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 There are Furiuoso dreadnoughts and Furioso Librarians. If you upgrade the Furioso Dreadnought to a Furioso Librarian he is no longer a Furioso Dreadnaought, and thus not eligible for the options of a Furioso dreadnought (e.g. the frag cannon). If you give the Furioso Dreadnought a frag cannon and then upgrade it to Furioso Librarian you exchange all wargear for a blood fist (with built-in storm bolter), smoke launchers, psychic hood and force weapon. This removes the frag cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3819995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Personally, I put Libby (and PlasPist) with 10 AsSq- 2 melta, give the Sgt 2 infernus pistols and a melta bomb. Make sure the Libby grants prescience and that's most units you could pick on decimated in the shooting phase with enough attacks to finish off even termis and imperial knights (although you do have to use classic pincer attack to ensure massive explosion!) I do like to have a sang priest with a power fist and 5 or 10 more AsSq near by, usually within 6"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3820704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I disagree with the interpretation that he can't take a frag cannon. As for pyromancy... Oops!!! sorry, but Furioso Librarians in the current codex can not take any options at all. Would be awesome though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3820730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Nothing wrong with divination either. Also note that furioso libbies with pyromancy are awesome drop pod alpha strikers. I dropped one on an IG player the other day and killed half his army with a single nova. If you take a flamer or frag cannon on him you can shoot his gun and his primaris at separate targets, which allows him to cripple multiple units in the same turn.A Furioso Librarian cannot take a Frag Cannon. The Furioso librarian is a unit separate from the regular Furioso Dreadnought, as such he does not get the options of a regular Furioso. You were (unwittingly) cheating. Also can't take pyromancy, just thought i would point that out. Also can't take a flamer ;) Already pointed out multiple times. Pretty sure this is mentioned in the FAQ also. I hope this gets fixed in the new dex, the ability to upgrade the SB to heavy flamer, or making the Libbioso a character would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3820965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 What's awesome about being a character? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3820996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Challenges? Los in a dread squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Navaer Solaq Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I agree that having a vehicle as a character has more disadvantage than advantage, but this is just an opinion. ... since this thread is about Libby in the 7th edition. Without the BA powers Is Mephiston is stil good? I was planning to take him in a 1500 pt game and use him to stomp on an annoying wraightknight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himlur Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 I was thinking a lib and mephiston not toghter just cause of extra powers and support power I hear regular space marines get libs for 65pts. What do people think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I agree that having a vehicle as a character has more disadvantage than advantage, but this is just an opinion. ... since this thread is about Libby in the 7th edition. Without the BA powers Is Mephiston is stil good? I was planning to take him in a 1500 pt game and use him to stomp on an annoying wraightknight. Without iron arm, he is going to fail hard. He hits on threes, wounds on sixes. You will need force activated along with iron arm. And you have to use smash otherwise he will just roll a 2+ and punch you back. Smash is just one attack this edition. And you are against eldar so he probably will be able to generate the same number of warp charges if not more. There is a good chance of him stopping you activating force or iron arm. So I'd say no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Wraithknights are only 3+. With Iron arm and assaulting from a raven Knights are toast. You'll need some additional mastery levels from somewhere cheap, not another BA librarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Wraithknights are only 3+. With Iron arm and assaulting from a raven Knights are toast. You'll need some additional mastery levels from somewhere cheap, not another BA librarian. You are right, I got confused I was thinking about riptide I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSauce Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 All attacks from a model with smash are AP2, so Mephy (or a normal libby) with Iron arm gets AP2 even without doing the single smash attack. It's the only way an assault squad can take on nasty 2+ save units like terminators. Libby + Priest + Iron arm is s8 ap2 on the charge, which is pretty nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Navaer Solaq Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 thanks for reply. it saves me from using mephiston against wraightknight. It seems harder to pull off because of the randomness of the spells generated. I will have to rely upon hammerators & sternguard then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himlur Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 This is all go info, thanks guys. I had a thought, run the lib with assault TH/SS termys and hope for invisibly run them right down the middle and draw a lot of fire and laugh at all the saves i get. As my other troops run down the field drawing no fire hopefully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297310-ba-and-librarians/#findComment-3821936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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