Fire Golem Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 So I think I've finally chosen what bloody legions I'm gonna start with. Just wanna double check my list before I order any of the specifics. It's quite similar to my NL/AL one a few posts down. +++ SoH and AL (2499pts) +++ + HQ + (130pts) * Legion Centurion (130pts) Chainfist, Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Primus Medicae + Troops + (580pts) * Legion Tactical Squad (320pts) 20 Men, Legion Vexilla, additional CCW Artificer Armour, Power Weapon on Sarge * Legion Tactical Squad (260pts) 20 Men, Legion Vexilla + Elites + (680pts) * Apothecarion Detachment (90pts) 2x Apthecaries * Legion Contemptor Dreadnought (225pts) 2x DCCW, Extra Armour, Plasma Blaster x2 * Legion Terminator Squad (365pts) 10 Men, Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 2x Chainfist, Reaper Autocannon, Lightning Claw on Sarge + Fast Attack + (244pts) * Reaver Attack Squad (244pts) 10 Men, 9x Chainaxe, Hand Flamer and Melta Bombs on Chieftain, Power Fist + Heavy Support + (125pts) * Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (125pts) Extra Armour + Legion + * Legion Astartes XVI: Sons of Horus + HQ + (130pts) * Legion Centurion (130pts) Artificer Armour, Bolter with only Banestrike Rounds, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Volkite Serpenta, Vigilator + Troops + (210pts) * Legion Tactical Squad (210pts) 15 Man, Legion Vexilla + Fast Attack + (205pts) * Headhunter Kill Teams (205pts) 5 man, Heavy Bolter with Suspensor Web and Banestrike ammunition, 4x Combi-bolter with Banestrike Ammo + Heavy Support + (195pts) * Legion Sicarian Battle Tank (195pts) Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons + Legion + * Legion Astartes XX: Alpha Legion 2499 points Thanks for looking guys, sorry I've been posting so many of these. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Looks like a fun list! Well rounded,lot of bodies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3825326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Awesome! Thanks for the feedback. I ordered 5 Reavers and the Contemptor today :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3826140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Fun list for sure, but its a lot of bodies and very little anti armor or ranged dakka. I'd consider dropping some of your bodies in exchange for some more anti armor or anti air (you have very little). If your opponent brings a bunch of artillery, what would you do? If your opponent brings a bunch of tanks, what would you do? If your opponent takes a spartan with a deathstar inside, how would you deal with it? If your opponent has a pair of fire raptors flying around, how would you shoot them down? Just some things for you to consider :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3826940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Erm... Pass, to all... I mean, artillery and tanks, I guess I only really have the Sicaran, Sicaran for anti air... I don't know really. What kinda things would you suggest? Ideally I'd like to keep the reavers (or 5 at least) and the Contemptor because I've just ordered those... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3826953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 An allied list can be fun, but you spend a lot of points for it. Have you considered just using a single legion and just painting up an HQ/squad from another legion and running with just one legion? Troops/commanders were on loan all over the place within the legions to give experience or expertise in battle and strengthen their own legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3826976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Fire Golem, from this point onward for lists at 2500+ think about how you'd deal with a List like my Raven Force One's 3 Storm Eagles and 2 Fire Raptors or how you'd deal with a Clown Car World Eaters list that has 3 Spartans loaded with 20 Tacs with extra CCW (chain axes), Apothecaries and Chaplains (for 3k add 3 Dual DCCW with Heavy Flamers to the list). Sure they are extremes but, if you don't have at least one contingency + redundancy in your list to deal with one of the following : http://www.focusst.org/forum/attachments/focus-st-purchasing/56410d1404743925-how-use-car-dealership-survey-leverage-get-better-deal-youre-going-have-bad-time.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3826997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Okay thanks guys. I think I'm gonna write a new list for things like that. Probably a single legion one. I'll do it in the morning though as I'm only up because there's a bloody thunderstorm and my window was open and I got rained on while I was sleeping -.- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Looks like the photo I posted earlier is pretty relevant to your current situation :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Definitely, can't get back to sleep now either haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 what better way to put your sleep schedule back in place than PULLING AN ALL NIGHTER!!!! (don't do it horrible idea. I've tried it multiple times. Regret the whole way.) But really, Troops heavy lists are nice, but with the prevalence of Armor in 30k, having no way to reliably deal with them is a detriment to victory. have you thought about instead putting together Zone Mortalis Lists? Smaller points levels and being more troops orientated means that its easier on the wallet and easier to get games down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have, but I don't know the rules for Zone Mortalis (they're in book 1 right? I don't have that one yet). I am quite happy with the list above, but I think I will make a couple of different lists, maybe swap the terminators out for some more anti armour stuff. What should I use for anti armour? Heavy weapons squads? Or my own armour? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 The safest bet would be your own armor since Heavy Weapon squads are vulnerable to much more than just anti-tank stuff. A good option to consider is the Sicarian Venator. That thing is mean for its price point but rather fragile, say, compared to a Land Raider Achilles or Spartan. Another would be Air-Borne Anti-tank such as the Fire Raptor (yeah...its pretty expensive...). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I do like the Sicaran Venetor. And the Fire Raptor is an awesome model too, I wonder if I could fit both in if I dropped the Terminators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 IIRC, (ie I'm too lazy to walk the 5 feet to my bookself or open battlescribe) Fire Raptor is in the range of a Land Raider Proteus (the cheapest one) + 10-30. Venator clocks in at a fully suped up Sicarian or close to. What I mean by that is : Sicarian + LC Sponsos and Armored Ceramite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 In that case then, instead of dropping the Termies, Ill make it a mono legion list and drop the AL stuff, that's like an extra 740 points. Although I'll lose the Sicaran. Should I drop the whirlwind Scorpius so I can have the Sicaran, the Venator and the Fire Raptor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hmmmmmmmm....Thats rather tricky since all four are pretty great... Tell you what : Get 2 Contemptor-Mortis' with whatevs and Take the both Sicarians + WW Scorp. I think that will fit the theme of the list better. More so than having a bunch of tanks and "oh yeah, this plane/gunship". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yeah okay that makes more sense. And I'm gonna magnetise my contemptor when I get it so I can swap the two CCW I ordered with it for the guns. And I love Contemptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Tell me about it! *has fever dreams about the IF contemptor* As for Zone Mortalis : (you actually got me off my lazy butt to walk to my self and grab the book) Defenders FoC : HQ+Troops Mandatory Attackers FoC : HQ + Elites Mandatory. Neutral FoC (neither are specified as being of the above categories) : HQ + Troops. Recommended point range of 1k or less. No Dedi Tansports (obv) No Units bigger than 15 man before IC joinings. Vehicles other than Walkers may not be chosen unless their models are no more than 4" wide. MCs with a base bigger than 60mm cannot be taken. No Barrage Weapons. Yes, this is in Book 1. I think its also in the smaller books IIRC. Beyond that, there are various rules for the Terrain and stuff that you could honestly ignore if you really wanted to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 How does this look? +++ Sons of Horus (2499pts) +++ + HQ + (260pts) * Legion Centurion (130pts) Chainfist, Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Primus Medicae * Legion Centurion (130pts) Artificer Armour, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Master of Signal + Troops + (590pts) * Legion Tactical Squad (325pts) 20 Men, Legion Vexilla, extra CCW, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon * Legion Tactical Squad (265pts) 20 Men, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs + Elites + (825pts) * Apothecarion Detachment (90pts) 2 Apothecaries * Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (195pts) Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Lascannons * Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (175pts) Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Autocannons * Legion Terminator Squad (365pts) 10 Men, 2x Chainfist, Reaper Autocannon, Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Lightning Claw + Fast Attack + (254pts) * Reaver Attack Squad (254pts) 10 Men, Artificer Armour, 9x Chainaxe, Hand Flamer, Melta Bombs, Power Fist + Heavy Support + (570pts) * Legion Sicarian Battle Tank (195pts) Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons * Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (125pts) Extra Armour * Sicarian Venator Tank Destroyer (250pts) Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons + Legion + * Legion Astartes XVI: Sons of Horus In fact what I might do is ring FW and change the 2 contemptor CCW for either 2 Lascannons or 2 Autocannons and start building this list first. And thanks for the ZM force org info :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I personally like this better since it contemptors can also provide anit-(heavy)Infantry and Anti-Tank as well as Anti-Air support. Though, with Reavers and Terminators I'm failing to see the point of Extra CCW on the Tac Squad since they'd have to footslog across the field to make use of the upgrade. Sadly another problem is the terminators since they'll be moving at Slow and Purposeful speeds without a vehicle. And Again with the Reavers. Do they come stock with Jump Packs? The current limitation with your list right now is that you have close combat elements but no way to get them there reliably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 To be honest, I gave the tac squad CCW because Bolters look cool with chainsaw blades, but I'll take that off and give the reavers jump packs with the points. Dunno what to do about the terminators though :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 You can model those on there anyways if you want to. If you can find no solution to your terminator problem, you'll have to essentially baby-sit them as they walk across the map with maybe half your army to make sure they get to do their job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yeah I'm going to :) Oh :/ I dunno what to do then. Is it worth dropping them completely? I dunno what I'd take instead though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 if you drop half the squad and a contemptor, you could probably squeeze in a Land Raider Phobos (its the plastic GW one with Las Cannons) to use as a transport. That said, you wouldn't be able to fit the Primus Medicae in there since it has a capacity of 10. The only other solution would be : A Spartan or a Storm Eagle. Of those two, the Eagle is the most viable of them (being the cheaper option) and has 20 capacity + being a flyer. You'd be able to keep the squad at 9 man + PM and only lose 1 terminator doing so. You'd still have to find a way to get those points out of your list. The most evident being a Contemptor. I'd need to check my math on this though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297573-sons-of-horusalpha-legion-2500pts/#findComment-3827079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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