Grizwald23 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I am thinking of making a 30k space wolf force since I am sick of painting SOH. I love space wolves I thought it would be fun mixing the FW different armor marks with all the gw space wolf stuff. However I have a couple of space wolves question. 1. did troops wear the Russ's emblem or the emblem of their wolf lord 2. What was Russ's emblem. the FW open day banner I saw with the picture of a space wolf it looks like Ragnar's emblem but red instead of black 3. Did they have the same type of pack markings (the zigzags ect..) like they do in 40k 4. Did they still only have 13 wolf lords 5. How many of the wolf lords are known and what are their emblems. 6. Who is the wolf lord from the HH short story were he and his squad are stranded on a planet with Dark Eldar Raiders that they run a gorilla campaign against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 1. Still uncertain, but the FW pic seems to have a red wolf head as the general Legion symbol. 2. Russ's emblem was the Wolf That Stalks Between Stars, used in 40k as the symbol of the Great Wolf. However, it appears Russ did not command a company personally (as the first company as a Jarl in PB), so that herladry was probably only worn by Russ, and maybe his inner circle/bodyguards. 3. Not known, but probably not, as the Blood Claw/Grey Hunter Long Fang progression was not used by the VI legion. If gor no other reason than the Marines weren't old enough for there to be Long Fangs, so I would expect the same markings ot be used. 4. 13 Jarls yes, but I'd expect each Jarl to have a group of subordionate commanders, given the size of the Legion. Don't want to say what heraldry each subordinate's men would use, either their direct commander's, Jarl's, or both. 5. A couple are known. Gunnhilt ran first (can't remember all the Fenbrisian numbers), Ogvai ran Tra (I think), Skarsensson ran Fyf, and either Bulveye or Jorin Bloodhowl ran the thirteenth (the fluff contradicts itself here). However, the only known compnay emblem is the 13th (see the decal sheet in the forum's download section.) 6. While I haven't read it, I think you mean Wolf at the Door. That's Bulveye of the 13th. We're a bit stuck with 30k Wolves currently, to be honest, thanks to FW's tardiness with covering Prospero (insert rant about not doing Prospero yet, despite it being chronologically first here ). However, this is what I'm planning to do with mine. The FW pics shows the read wolf's head on the left, so that's probably the Legion symbol. Then I'm putting another emblem (probably the Spirit Wolf) on the right, to either represent the Jarl, or the force's direct commander (not sure where in the VI's organisation my guys will be atm). Additionally the right shoulder will carry runes, one to identify squad, and one unique identifier for each Marine, plus of course a selection of fur, runes and talismans. At least that's the plan .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 a question i've been meaning to ask to those who know the HH armor better than I... I've come across 5 kits of Space Wolf in power armor and was wondering which of the pieces inside are "officially" Heresy compatible? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Do you mean the armour marks present in the SW Pack box? If so than it's mostly Mark VII, and although bits and pieces do appear in the FW Heresy books (especially the classic SM 'Sarum' helmets in Betrayal), but really that mark is more associated with the Scouring. As at the outbreak of the Crusade, the Mk VI was just finishing development, and saw heavy deployment amonst the defenders of the Imperial Palace. So most GC/HH Marines forces would be using Mks II, III, IV or V (seeing as V started out as essentially 'combat salvaged combo armour'). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 MK V is also the only FW kit that has (studded) Sarum Pattern Helmets as depicted in some World Eaters Artworks in the FW HH Books. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/mkv-1.jpg Realistically, you could pass off most of the chest pieces that don't prominently feature an Aquila for Variant Heresy Era Gear. For Legs, really, as long as they aren't bedecked in Purity Seals, they should be fine. Your best bet, if your truly impatient for the FW SW release (..yeah that'll be a while), would be to use anything but MK VI + Everything else is free reign. Unless you're doing Scouring Era Wolves. Then anything goes at that point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I was looking at my 40k Wolves and seeing as they are getting TOO big even before getting ahold of these 5 boxes, and my HH RG are killing my painting drive at the moment. I thought to see what I could mix in with the Wolf kits, as I am a complete dunce where it comes to the armor marks and the Wolf variations. I figured I could make a squad or two to spur my motivation for the HH RG, which is currently on idle waiting to see what Corax looks like. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 You could make them Alpha Legion infiltrators if you ever need a reason to paint Space Wolves in their Colors :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 You could make them Alpha Legion infiltrators if you ever need a reason to paint Space Wolves in their Colors I'm at a loss on what I could do to make me start hating 30k, but this is a good start. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 No one leaves The Ship, Wolf. You are part of us, and we are part of you. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew.Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Part of the ship, part of the crew. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 huh? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 First Rule of 30k, WLK, No-one Quits 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 well thats certainly safer than my other first rule WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3826413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm currently painting mine with just blank grey shoulder pads until we get confirmation that the red wolf emblem is the correct one to use :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3827481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Leif covered the OP's questions pretty well, in my opinion. :) well thats certainly safer than my other first rule WLK I kid, of course, brother. :sweat: I was looking at my 40k Wolves and seeing as they are getting TOO big even before getting ahold of these 5 boxes, and my HH RG are killing my painting drive at the moment. I thought to see what I could mix in with the Wolf kits, as I am a complete dunce where it comes to the armor marks and the Wolf variations. I figured I could make a squad or two to spur my motivation for the HH RG, which is currently on idle waiting to see what Corax looks like. WLK Hmm. Out of the standard SW box, I'd say that any close combat weapons would be fine, along with pouches, pelts and such. Many of the shoulderpads could be snuck in easily enough, as could the beakie helms, and the bare heads (of course, lol). Heck, you could even get that strange wolf shaped helm in there, and just call it a locally made Mk V helm. That's just off the top of my head, mind. If I sat down with the box and sorted everything out, I could give you a clearer answer. I do remember their being an old, cabled Mk VI torso on the old upgrade sprue, if you have any of those laying about. I'm currently painting mine with just blank grey shoulder pads until we get confirmation that the red wolf emblem is the correct one to use Forgeworld has been very, very loyal to the HH: Collected Visions artwork. Plus, there is this: http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=170981&d=1368816243 I'd say the red shoulderpad is a safe bet. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3827529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 How have I not seen that image before?? Thank you very much Heathens, now I just have to figure how to do it as I'm terrible at freehand! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3827556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 A potential solution for the Wolf's Head symbol is the FW SW Etched Brass. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Etched_Brass/ETCHED-BRASS-SPACE-WOLVES-SYMBOLS.html Cutting the heads out of the circle might be in order, but that would certainly be easier than freehand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3827611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 How have I not seen that image before?? Thank you very much Heathens, now I just have to figure how to do it as I'm terrible at freehand! Give me a day or two, and I can show you a tutorial on how to cheat, man. If you'd like to gather the material, you'll need plasticard, greenstuff, and a SW shoulder with the icon already on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3827943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Regarding mixing armour parts, I think you could get away with just about anything except Mark VII helms which are iconic of 40k. If I remember correctly the FW material for the Raven Guard shows that Mark VI armour was in use pre-Heresy and arguably pre-dates Mark V. It was initially field tested by one or two of the more direct legions such as the World Eaters and they rejected it as they preferred the heavy protection of older suits such as Mark III and didn't want to give that up for things like reduced weight and improved sensors or stealth capability. It was determined to be inferior. Horus was ensuring that his cronies got the best supplies. Also some Primarchs were closer to the Emperor and the Imperial court than others, e.g. Rogal Dorn was one of the Emperor's favourites. Corax didn't really do politics and so most of the Mark VI armour was offloaded onto the Raven Guard who liked it and it was only after they had demonstrated its worth that it was officially designated one of the major Marks and named "Corvus" armour in honour of those who had pioneered its use. There were other users though, in Mark of Calth there is a Word Bearer with Mark VI armour at Calth. Even with my then rudimentary green stuffing skills I converted some Mark VII helms to Mark III helms based on the cover art of early books like Horus Rising. Just cut away the face plate details, fill the space with a thin layer of green stuff and then once it has had time to harden slightly, use a small knife to cut in the vision slit and grille. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3828254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Heathens - I'd love to see this tute as well, will help greatly when converting my 40k wolves into 30k wolves... :) On that topic - what's the best size plasticard to pick up for this sort of work? (baring in mind I have literally never worked with it before). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3828255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Regarding mixing armour parts, I think you could get away with just about anything except Mark VII helms which are iconic of 40k. If I remember correctly the FW material for the Raven Guard shows that Mark VI armour was in use pre-Heresy and arguably pre-dates Mark V. It was initially field tested by one or two of the more direct legions such as the World Eaters and they rejected it as they preferred the heavy protection of older suits such as Mark III and didn't want to give that up for things like reduced weight and improved sensors or stealth capability. It was determined to be inferior. Horus was ensuring that his cronies got the best supplies. Also some Primarchs were closer to the Emperor and the Imperial court than others, e.g. Rogal Dorn was one of the Emperor's favourites. Corax didn't really do politics and so most of the Mark VI armour was offloaded onto the Raven Guard who liked it and it was only after they had demonstrated its worth that it was officially designated one of the major Marks and named "Corvus" armour in honour of those who had pioneered its use. There were other users though, in Mark of Calth there is a Word Bearer with Mark VI armour at Calth. Mark VI was only in field trials in very limited numbers on the verge of the Heresy, and had not seen general Legion issue yet. Even the RG only had a few thousand trial suits. I believe it was Pertuarbo who tried to bury the Mk V (as it was then, but the trials took so long that by the time it was recognised, Mark V had already been established as mix and match salvage armour). The Traitors then looted the RG after Istvaan (plus the AL had some of their own, because AL). Therefore I'd personally shy away from Mk VI for 30k Wolves, unless you're setting your force in the Scouring, or maybe mid-Heresy. But GC/Prospero/Istvaan era Wolves shouldn't (unless FW change their minds when Inferno finally drops) have Mk VI armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3828302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Ah, thank you for clarifying, yes it was indeed the Iron Warriors. Also, good point about spoils of the Dropsite Massacre - I don't think it explicitly stated that in Mark of Calth but it would make sense. This sort of issue is one of the reasons that if I do a Heresy era force I'm leaning towards Siege of Terra loyalists as I can mitigate the Forgeworld costs by using some Mark VI and Mark VII parts to represent the suits Sigismund liberated from Mars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3828371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Sorry for possibly de-railing this thread but i thought it appropriate to ask in here instead of starting a new thread seeing as it's still on the first page! How do people suggest playing a 30k SW force? I can't decide between running them with the SW codex, using the 30k crusade list, or using the 30k list and using another legions rules until we get our own? Thanks, James Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3831866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 If you can get away with it, use the 30k crusade list. Legion rule wise, either use one of the generic ones they've introduced for Legion not covered yet, or borrow the AL rules and give your army Counter Attack as an interim measure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3831871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I'm itching to model some Wolves, but since I'm not sold on cherry picking from the Wolf sprue for 30k bits, I'm going to wait until FW decides it wants my wallet next. if I did make the leap, I'd go with a generic Crusade list. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3831949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Another option is the World Eaters Legion Rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297629-30k-space-wolf-questions/#findComment-3831952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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