Death and Defiance

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Howl of the Hearthworld is why I love AD-B's writing so much, adding character and nuance to the culture of each Legion. The fact that their birth names mean less to them than their deed names is a very interesting touch. Can someone shed any light if there is any to be shed on the Rout, chapter/great company set up?

 

i think some of it may be a safety net from what they've learned on Prospero. Giving somebody your "true" name can give them sorcerous power over you. By not giving the birth names out, they have a measure of protection against this.

 

WLK

[The Red Thirst]

Anyone got any spoilers on Virtues of the Sons??

[Kol Saresk]

 

Its essentially about this tradition where two of Sanguinius' warriors go through this mock battle. One is the attacker going after Sanguinius, while the other is the defender who tries to stop him. Obviously this is Amit and Azkaelleon respectively.

 

Sanguinius, believing the two are too entrenched in their roles and thus standing as polar opposites with no balance, orders that they enter ito duels with some of their brothers. Azkaelleon with Lucius, Amit with Khârn.

 

Lucius beats Azkaelleon according to the rules of the duel, but Azkaelleon goes berzerk and knocks him out of the dueling ring with a body tackle.

 

Khârn and Amit fight each other until neither has the strength to go on.

 

Wen next they go through the mock battle, Samguinius is at first disappointed that they took up their normal roles. But he is surprised when Azkaelleon takes the offensive while Amit is more defensive in his fighting. This leaves Sanguinius feeling hope that his sons will achieve balance and simply won't be divided between the overly aggressive and the overly defensive.

 

[The Red Thirst]

Thanks Kol, I'll have to pick it up eventually (having no money sucks)

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

It's a cracking book :)

[DarKnight]

 

Howl of the Hearthworld is why I love AD-B's writing so much, adding character and nuance to the culture of each Legion. The fact that their birth names mean less to them than their deed names is a very interesting touch. Can someone shed any light if there is any to be shed on the Rout, chapter/great company set up?

 

i think some of it may be a safety net from what they've learned on Prospero. Giving somebody your "true" name can give them sorcerous power over you. By not giving the birth names out, they have a measure of protection against this.

 

WLK

 

This was prior to the Razing Prospero, but they are aware of Malficarum all the same so that makes sense. Plus they are storytellers at heart, so I can see the importance of earning a deed name. Just a great touch overall.

[Conn Eremon]

 

 

Howl of the Hearthworld is why I love AD-B's writing so much, adding character and nuance to the culture of each Legion. The fact that their birth names mean less to them than their deed names is a very interesting touch. Can someone shed any light if there is any to be shed on the Rout, chapter/great company set up?

 

i think some of it may be a safety net from what they've learned on Prospero. Giving somebody your "true" name can give them sorcerous power over you. By not giving the birth names out, they have a measure of protection against this.

 

WLK

 

This was prior to the Razing Prospero, but they are aware of Malficarum all the same so that makes sense. Plus they are storytellers at heart, so I can see the importance of earning a deed name. Just a great touch overall.

 

 

Adding on, I got the distinct impression that their 'birth' names were discarded upon obtaining a 'deed' name. Most of the squad gave their birth names to the clerical dude because they knew they would be names that this Terran would understand, while the one Space Wolf basically went "Nope, this is my name now. Deal with it." Which did in fact confuse the Terran.

 

As for the original question above, the Space Wolves Chapter is supposed to be largely organized the same as the Legion itself, which so far appears to be true. But, we are also seeing that there are many different layers of command that didn't carry over. The Great Companies become nothing more than 'greater companies,' when before they consisted of whole Chapters and Companies within. Seems like how the Death Guard are organized according to Betrayal, but with 13 Great Companies rather than 7. AD-B's Wolves seem to have very . . . 40k like names. I have a feeling that looking at the list of his VI Legion's Chapter, Company and Squad names would be like looking at Phillip Sibbering's list of canon & DIY Chapters, though restricted in that they would all seem Nordic-themed. Abnett's seemed like they were numbered like the original Terran Legion, just that, with Fenrisian being the language of choice, it is in that language that they are numbered. So you could go with whatever. Personally, I like both concepts and will incorporate both when I get to developing lore to my Legion DIYs. On the macro level, Abnett's, but the smaller the units get, the more like AD-B's they become.

 

The newer Visions book, which I don't have on hand, comments on how very easily the Terrans and Fenrisians got along and meshed, but also states how they were separated into different squad types. The Grey Hunters of canon, for instance, were a Terran squad, I believe. I'll look it up and post that bit later tonight maybe. Gives a little bit of insight (though my personal opinion of it can be summed by 'lolwut?'), which might be useful.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

 

 

Howl of the Hearthworld is why I love AD-B's writing so much, adding character and nuance to the culture of each Legion. The fact that their birth names mean less to them than their deed names is a very interesting touch. Can someone shed any light if there is any to be shed on the Rout, chapter/great company set up?

 

i think some of it may be a safety net from what they've learned on Prospero. Giving somebody your "true" name can give them sorcerous power over you. By not giving the birth names out, they have a measure of protection against this.

 

WLK

 

This was prior to the Razing Prospero, but they are aware of Malficarum all the same so that makes sense. Plus they are storytellers at heart, so I can see the importance of earning a deed name. Just a great touch overall.

 

 

Well let me apologize for the time difference. So many time sliding between stories tripped me up. I'd like to sit down one day and try (emphasis on the try) to make a master map of the events occurring in the novels, short stories, novellas and audio books. Sadly, reality and not owning everything has greatly hampered this desire. 

The point still stands as the Wolves are aware of the Malicarum and experienced its effects directly on Nikea as well, but that was already acknowledged. I just have to say it for my ego.

 

I NEED the newer visions book.

 

WLK

[Conn Eremon]

I was a little off about Visions. On pg 160, it says the Fenrisians "were organized into their own distinct squads, known as Fenris Bloods and Fenris Hunters," although "they also led some squads of Terran Space Wolves (the Hunter, Claw and Long Fang squads). The officer corps and the elite Wolf Guard were drawn from the ranks of both Terrans and Fenrisians."

 

The only other squad type were the Wulfen Packs, unique to the 13th Great Company, which included Terrans and Fenrisians alike, with no mention on whether one was more prone than the other or not.

[Sviox]

 

Its essentially about this tradition where two of Sanguinius' warriors go through this mock battle. One is the attacker going after Sanguinius, while the other is the defender who tries to stop him. Obviously this is Amit and Azkaelleon respectively.

 

Sanguinius, believing the two are too entrenched in their roles and thus standing as polar opposites with no balance, orders that they enter ito duels with some of their brothers. Azkaelleon with Lucius, Amit with Khârn.

 

Lucius beats Azkaelleon according to the rules of the duel, but Azkaelleon goes berzerk and knocks him out of the dueling ring with a body tackle.

 

Khârn and Amit fight each other until neither has the strength to go on.

 

Wen next they go through the mock battle, Samguinius is at first disappointed that they took up their normal roles. But he is surprised when Azkaelleon takes the offensive while Amit is more defensive in his fighting. This leaves Sanguinius feeling hope that his sons will achieve balance and simply won't be divided between the overly aggressive and the overly defensive.

 

 

Virtues of the Sons story is immediately continued by Sins of the Father that comes with the new Flesh tearers 'first edition' book.

 

This traditional (Yearly maybe? Mentioned to take place 'ninth day of the ninth month') duel takes place after Horus has been promoted to Warmaster. The story arc consists of 4 parts. First, a discussion with Sanguinius and Warmaster, then separate stories for Amit and Azkaellon sent to duel Khârn and Lucius, and finally the honor duel between Amit and Azkaellon, said to happen a year since Sanguinius has last seen either of them. I would speculate that the first part happens at Ullanor.