EnterRehab Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Custom FOC requirement: 1 HQ 2 Troop The only way I see this working currently: Libby (110) - No upgrades Strikesquad (110) - No Upgrades Strikesquad (110) - No Upgrades total = 330 20 points isn't enough for PML3, but might be enough for an incinerator.. I can't come up with anything else to make this work. -Allies NOT authorized (at this point value) -Must be the army that was submitted. In this case- ONLY GK models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Give an incinerator to both Strike squads, replace the Libby's stave with a hammer. Done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Give an incinerator to both Strike squads, replace the Libby's stave with a hammer. Done. or give the Libby the Fury of Deimos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 or give the Libby the Fury of Deimos. You can't do it for 10pts. You have to first buy him a storm bolter for 5pts, then swap the storm bolter for 'Fury' for another 10. Fury is awful anyway, don't take it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Techmarine HQ, perhaps? Conversion Beamer could help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Techmarine HQ, perhaps? Conversion Beamer could help. Not a legal HQ choice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Techmarine HQ, perhaps? Conversion Beamer could help. Not a legal HQ choice Thread crossover! Run for your lives! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Taking the Techmarine nude allows you to grab a Rhino for him and one of the Strike Squads. That's probably your best chance, but to be brutally honest, you're pretty much boned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm absolutely confident that the ruling for the techmarine as an HQ choice is not going to fly in league/tournament setting. It's a bs ruling and no one will fall for it. As i don't have a codex on me, can I get 2 incinerators and a hammer @ 20 points total? I thought GKSS had a huge penalty with incinerators/psycannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm absolutely confident that the ruling for the techmarine as an HQ choice is not going to fly in league/tournament setting. It's a bs ruling and no one will fall for it. As i don't have a codex on me, can I get 2 incinerators and a hammer @ 20 points total? I thought GKSS had a huge penalty with incinerators/psycannon? It's not a ruling, its an argument over RAW in another thread. I doubt any sane Knight player is taking Tech-Marines in their competitive lists. No, Strikes pay the same as any PA unit for their upgrades. Incinerators are 5pts. On a Librarian, you get the hammer at a discount, because he comes with a stave already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm absolutely confident that the ruling for the techmarine as an HQ choice is not going to fly in league/tournament setting. It's a bs ruling and no one will fall for it. As i don't have a codex on me, can I get 2 incinerators and a hammer @ 20 points total? I thought GKSS had a huge penalty with incinerators/psycannon? It's not a ruling, its an argument over RAW in another thread. I doubt any sane Knight player is taking Tech-Marines in their competitive lists. No, Strikes pay the same as any PA unit for their upgrades. Incinerators are 5pts. On a Librarian, you get the hammer at a discount, because he comes with a stave already. This is excellent.. I'm definitely going to incinerator my GK's and toss the hammer on the libby. It's going to be a hard time until I get up to 1500pt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse83 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 In my experience GK don`t do well in low point battles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Throw in 2 incinerators for the strikes and a hammer on the librarian. That being said - unless the participants are very nice and fluffy, you will not have fun in this league. Basically every non-marine player will laugh at you and proceed to wipe your army within 2 turns at most. If your opponents play to win you will need to play at least 1000 or even 1500 points to get an enjoyable matchup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 PA is going to be decent at low points, as will be having a potential 3 psyk powers for the libby. In this low point game, Vortex has the potential to make or break the match entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 PA is going to be decent at low points, as will be having a potential 3 psyk powers for the libby. In this low point game, Vortex has the potential to make or break the match entirely. If you get it and if you get into range to shoot it off and if it doesn't deviate then maybe it can do something cool maybe. Honestly a LOT depends on who you're up against and the competitiveness of lists you're up against. For example, Tau can fir a Riptide into 350 points, and that's just full stop game over. Edit: Could you use Inquisition to fill your HQ + 2 Troops and then have a detachment of GK? That saves you (barely) enough points to cram in a Termi squad with a few upgrades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 PA is going to be decent at low points, as will be having a potential 3 psyk powers for the libby. In this low point game, Vortex has the potential to make or break the match entirely. If you get it and if you get into range to shoot it off and if it doesn't deviate then maybe it can do something cool maybe. Honestly a LOT depends on who you're up against and the competitiveness of lists you're up against. For example, Tau can fir a Riptide into 350 points, and that's just full stop game over. Edit: Could you use Inquisition to fill your HQ + 2 Troops and then have a detachment of GK? That saves you (barely) enough points to cram in a Termi squad with a few upgrades. Per the requirement i posted at the top.. you can only play the army listed. no allies, no unique formations.. Everyone starts with CAD, then as the league progresses, more gets opened up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 If you get it and if you get into range to shoot it off and if it doesn't deviate then maybe it can do something cool maybe. Honestly a LOT depends on who you're up against and the competitiveness of lists you're up against. For example, Tau can fir a Riptide into 350 points, and that's just full stop game over. The OP stated that the only allowances are HQ+2 Troops at this point. So no they can't get a Riptide. Tau are actually pretty awful with those restrictions, they at best can one Crisis suit and some Fire Warriors/Kroot snipers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hmm, Farsight suit spam might still be nasty enough to work. But yeah, no Riptide, so sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3833975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 If you get it and if you get into range to shoot it off and if it doesn't deviate then maybe it can do something cool maybe. Honestly a LOT depends on who you're up against and the competitiveness of lists you're up against. For example, Tau can fir a Riptide into 350 points, and that's just full stop game over. The OP stated that the only allowances are HQ+2 Troops at this point. So no they can't get a Riptide. Tau are actually pretty awful with those restrictions, they at best can one Crisis suit and some Fire Warriors/Kroot snipers. A single Tau commander will poop all over a marine list though. Eldar can take serpents, and if we increase the points limit to 450 or something, thunderwolf lords and chapter masters on bikes will ruin everyones day even more. Small points lists are stupid without changing the AOP rules a lot :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterRehab Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 If you get it and if you get into range to shoot it off and if it doesn't deviate then maybe it can do something cool maybe. Honestly a LOT depends on who you're up against and the competitiveness of lists you're up against. For example, Tau can fir a Riptide into 350 points, and that's just full stop game over. The OP stated that the only allowances are HQ+2 Troops at this point. So no they can't get a Riptide. Tau are actually pretty awful with those restrictions, they at best can one Crisis suit and some Fire Warriors/Kroot snipers. A single Tau commander will poop all over a marine list though. Eldar can take serpents, and if we increase the points limit to 450 or something, thunderwolf lords and chapter masters on bikes will ruin everyones day even more. Small points lists are stupid without changing the AOP rules a lot Some insight into the league: While I disagree with the way most of it is being conducted, it's something. General rules/info: -(including the rules posted at the top of the thread) -Winning unlocks X points to use. -Losing unlocks Y points to use. -At (unknown) points, alternative formations may be taken -At (unknown) points, allies may be taken. (or additional detachments) X is greater than Y, which is a major discrepancy I see. The winners snowball and the losers will never get that opportunity to win. In my GK example.. GK don't flourish until 1500+ generally. If by the time I make it to 1500, my opponents are using 2000+, what am I to do? It's going to be a crazy uphill battle, but we're gonna give it a go. Edit: a word Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Totally agree with both of the above posts. Events like these don't interest me in the slightest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Sounds like you're in Jank City with no way to leave ER :( I wish you luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Well, best of luck to you, keep us posted! I would not get my hopes up but maybe you get lucky ^^ just aim for dreadknights and hope your opponents don't have the tools to deal with them ;D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The campaign would be quite interesting if the loosers recieved slightly more points for the next match than the winners. Might be counter to logic, but would make for better gameplay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The campaign would be quite interesting if the loosers recieved slightly more points for the next match than the winners. Might be counter to logic, but would make for better gameplay.True, but I would just lose on purpose for a game or two to get more points and then in the higher points games where we shine I would bring the pain. I dont play anything sub 1000 for this very reason so I dont have any advice, other than wishing you the best of luck and let us know how it went. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297961-350pt-gk-for-league-how-can-it-work/#findComment-3834891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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