Rasclomalum Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 In the new codex TDAWG can replace their power weapons with storm shields for free, allowing you a 2+/3++ storm bolter for 33 points, which seems interesting at a glance. Take a five man squad, set one of them up with an assault cannon, give all of them shields and let them deep strike in alongside a TDA Rune Priest with ML2 and Prescience. Totals at 300 points, and seems to me you'd get a fairly durable little shooting squad that prefers to be 12''-24'' away from the enemy and just dink away. Massed infantry fire would be a problem, but you should be able to hold such threats off. Your greatest fear would be throwaway assault units that would be the tar to your pit. You can't kill them, they likely won't take down all your shields, you can't shoot, squad useless. Anyone tried anything similar to this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 They are decent if used as pack leaders. It is also useful to have 1-2 of those in a shooty TDA unit to tank a few shots. This is increadibly cost effective since you are saving 15 points per SS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I have done a similar unit only with combiplasma and assault cannon, no shields and they weathered a surprising amount of fire after dishing decent damage (2 wounds off a wraith knight). I wonder if they could have weathered more with a stormshield? Sounds at least worth a proxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasclomalum Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Think about it, you get 10 2+/3++ storm bolters for 330 points... you could probably sprinkle on some combi-weapons, heavy flamers and assault cannons without breaking the bank, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z00Z Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm considering this exact build SS/SB for the thunderstrike formation for the TDA and combi-plasmas for WG in DP. Have both units come in together and use the TDA as the 'shield wall' for the PA WG. The enemy cant ignore 10 plasma and 20 SB shots before having to focus on them, meanwhile they all T5 in the opponents face while TWC are running up the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I agree. I think this is a superb option. Maybe not all of them with SS .... you can leave some power axes in there for combat too ... I've modelled my 5 unit termies with 2 storm shields and 3 power axes. These guys are combi ones though. If you were to go with 10 - I think more SS would be good of course. I wouldnt go over half the unit though probably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I agree. I think this is a superb option. Maybe not all of them with SS .... you can leave some power axes in there for combat too ... I've modelled my 5 unit termies with 2 storm shields and 3 power axes. These guys are combi ones though. If you were to go with 10 - I think more SS would be good of course. I wouldnt go over half the unit though probably. That is the setup I would go for, as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natman92 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This could have massive potential to spoil an opponent's day and I've been looking into a list based around it. Could have some potential as an alpha strike list. This isn't the entire army, just the relevant bits for discussion. Also I'm just getting back into 40k after a 9 year hiatus so please correct me on rules. HQ Rune Priest -TDA -Psychic Hood -ML2 Elites Murderfang (excellent synergy for several reasons.) -Drop pod (If you use FW at your local use a lucius pattern so Murderfang can hide inside it for a turn) -Homing Beacon (Not sure if this applies to Lucius however) Wolf Guard Terminators x5 -2-3 Storm Shields -Leader w/ Wolf Claw - Ideally Cyclones but they cost a bomb, AC/HF more likely. -Power axes for the rest, cheap and cheerful. Wolf Guard Terminators - Same again. Use some fairly bare bones units to take objectives. More likely to win against the remnants of the enemy force than they would otherwise be. Pro's - Can spoil your opponent's day by being super aggressive and surprising them. - Using a few small grey hunters units will give you time to go for objectives while your enemy deals with a major distraction. - Rune Priest rolling invisibility 10' leads to trolling. - Super sturdy shooting unit. Murderfang shines in CC. - Could be an immensely fun game/ build, if only for your opponent's face. Con's - Restricts your army dramatically, no elite slots left, huge points investment. - Storm bolters might just bounce off. - Probably only worth trying in a champions of fenris detachment for the extra +1WS and elite slots filled. - Murderfang might get scrapped immediately, Terminators could be taken out by low AP template weapons. So it could be great or it could be awful. A single unit is probably the best way to go as you need the Champions of Fenris FOC to really make this shine (Multiple dreads). Must say though I think 5 Shields is too much, a few wolf claws or power weapons could be really good ways to mitigate being charged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear da Lamentation Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Not positive, but pretty sure our RP don't get access to invisible Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 In the past I have ran this: 5 TDAWG -Combi / WC -Combi / WC -Combi / FA -Combi / FA -SB / PS / CML This was my go to pack. I have 2 Combi-Plas, 2 Combi-Melta and a single Combi-Flamer at my disposal (clarification the numbers reflect 5 man packs), but with the blessing of free SS, I am going to change it up. I am a terminator fanatic, if you will. So I have been playing 'Logan-wing' since 5th edition hit. StormGrrrs are also a huge blessing to terminators, but that is off point. I think for a 5 man pack, 2 SS is plenty. Already having a 2 up can, as already stated, soak up a lot of shots. Running 2 shields allows you to deal with the lower AP stuff. I would use this idea as not only an alpha strike, but as a specific answer to a particular unit. Your melta pack for blowing up high armored vehicles, for example. You then have some defense if you don't succeed in destroying the vehicle or if the squishies inside also have nasty weapons. I would run the bare bones SS/SB pack as a higher model count unit and throw them at infantry, that way you can soak enough shots up after DSing in to shoot back again, then assault with a strong force. And yes, FA or PA are a needed addition to the pack, I believe. You want that 'hidden' punch to hit hard (and slow). It allows for some flexibility. I know I touched on some things already covered, and some things that are common sense, but I hope my blurb offers up some wisdom that can be looked over at times. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasclomalum Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 We need two HQs in our detachments and they can't all be Thunderlords. A shooty shieldwall aiming to stay out of immediate danger seems like a good place for a support HQ to hang out and deny Slay the Warlord in a totally unwolfy grizzled long fang fashion. Would you take Rune Priest or a Wolf Priest? A Wolf Priest in TDA (for deep striking) clocks in at 140 points, whereas a ML2 Rune Priest in TDA with a Storm Bolter sets you back a mere 115. Is the reliability of preferred enemy, the 6+ FNP and the additional invulnerable save worth the 25 points? EDIT: The ML2 is for Prescience purposes, which I assume is the most efficient psychic power for the squad. Dunno, relying on a shooty Primaris such as Smite or Psychic Shriek is perhaps good enough? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Priest_Rhapsody Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I would go with a ML2 RP. For me a WL is better when paired with an assault vehicle. Just my preference and I am not the competitive type of player!! I also run the CoF, so a Single HQ is all I need. Take my comments with salt, keeping that in mind. The RP is still good for presence however. And there are several other used for his abilities and as you mention, is a cheaper and still tough option. Giving you the ability to run a TWL and the RP. End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 You only need 2 HQs in a wolves unleashed detachment. The other options are all single HQ (combined arms and Champions of Fenris) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I would never do this with storm bolters because they may be tough, but they have pretty lacklustre shooting ability. At 12-24" they are only a bit worse at shooting than grey hunters but at 1-12" they're less than half as shooty. Although the assault cannon option definitely helps. I would however do this with combo weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisWolf Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 EDIT: The ML2 is for Prescience purposes, which I assume is the most efficient psychic power for the squad. Dunno, relying on a shooty Primaris such as Smite or Psychic Shriek is perhaps good enough? Pretty sure we don't get psychic shriek, as that is a Telepathy power. Correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasclomalum Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 EDIT: The ML2 is for Prescience purposes, which I assume is the most efficient psychic power for the squad. Dunno, relying on a shooty Primaris such as Smite or Psychic Shriek is perhaps good enough? Pretty sure we don't get psychic shriek, as that is a Telepathy power. Correct? But of course, my Chaosy side HERESY *BLAM* assumed Telepathy when it is, of course, is Telekinesis. :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3836956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Tempestas has actually become now my favourite power for shooting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298087-anyone-have-any-experience-with-sssb-tdawg/#findComment-3837332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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