Building to go toe to toe with Thunderwolves

[Bartali]

What can BA build to allow us to take on Thunderowlf Cav In assault ?

 

The first thing that comes to mind is Jump DC with a Reclusiarcb. Expensive, but you're going to be generating a lot of wounds of you get the charge.

 

What else can you see that's useful ?

[Leonaides]

Scout meatshields to prevent him getting the charge first on your dc...

[Brother Dallo]

Mephiston rocking biomancy may get the job done. As can furioso with blood fists, which can actually tarpit them, if they have no power fist, or meltabombs.

 

Dallo

[Bartali]

Both Mephiston and Furioso Dreads will struggle, The TWC will likely have plenty of S10 ap2 hits in addition to the rends from the regular attacks. They're both slow too, giving the TWC the charge most of the time

[knife&fork]

TWC is really not a problem for BA.... at all. If you are tailoring it isn't even fair.

 

First off, force terrain checks whenever possible, it's free wounds on expensive models.

 

If there's a storm shield in front tanking hit, throw mid S fire at him like auto cannons, heavy bolter or assault cannon shots, he'll fail that 3++ sooner than later and the AP4 isn't 'wasted' in any way since he's got that 3+. Same thing if he's padded the unit with fen wolves or cyber wolves.

2+/3++ character in front is little more risky unless you have vindicators, so just use your fast units or pods to shoot from an angle where he can't use that character to tank. Or use LoS blocking in creative ways with your own to isolate certain models. 

 

Really just shoot them to bring down their size before finishing them off in assault. DC, DC dreads, furioso dreads, Mephiston or even regular units once they are down to 1-2 TWC + pups.

 

Tank shocks can also work nicely to force ld-checks, target models that have a hard time penetrating front av, divide the unit or isolate models before shooting or assault. 

 

 

Both Mephiston and Furioso Dreads will struggle, The TWC will likely have plenty of S10 ap2 hits in addition to the rends from the regular attacks. They're both slow too, giving the TWC the charge most of the time

 

Any assault unit should ride in an assault vehicle, or you have enough of them and space them in such a manner that he can't multi assault.

[Quixus]

Mephiston rocking biomancy may get the job done. As can furioso with blood fists, which can actually tarpit them, if they have no power fist, or meltabombs.

For added survivability give Mephiston his personal medic, Corbulo.

[knife&fork]

That won't help in close combat. However, you stand a pretty good chance of getting FnP or iwnd from a warlord trait with reroll.

[Bartali]

 

TWC is really not a problem for BA.... at all. If you are tailoring it isn't even fair.

 

First off, force terrain checks whenever possible, it's free wounds on expensive models.

 

If there's a storm shield in front tanking hit, throw mid S fire at him like auto cannons, heavy bolter or assault cannon shots, he'll fail that 3++ sooner than later and the AP4 isn't 'wasted' in any way since he's got that 3+. Same thing if he's padded the unit with fen wolves or cyber wolves.

2+/3++ character in front is little more risky unless you have vindicators, so just use your fast units or pods to shoot from an angle where he can't use that character to tank. Or use LoS blocking in creative ways with your own to isolate certain models. 

 

Really just shoot them to bring down their size before finishing them off in assault. DC, DC dreads, furioso dreads, Mephiston or even regular units once they are down to 1-2 TWC + pups.

 

Tank shocks can also work nicely to force ld-checks, target models that have a hard time penetrating front av, divide the unit or isolate models before shooting or assault. 

 

 

Both Mephiston and Furioso Dreads will struggle, The TWC will likely have plenty of S10 ap2 hits in addition to the rends from the regular attacks. They're both slow too, giving the TWC the charge most of the time

 

Any assault unit should ride in an assault vehicle, or you have enough of them and space them in such a manner that he can't multi assault.

 

 

I've no doubt BA can deal with Thunderwolves, especially if ,as you say, you tailor. Dakka/Baal Preds and Rifledreads can dumb wounds on them, and Vindicators can instant death them.

 

I was wonder though, if we can build to deal with them in assault.

Hopefully jump DC will get a signifcant points reduction in the new codex without loosing any of their rules 

[knife&fork]

 

I was wonder though, if we can build to deal with them in assault.

Hopefully jump DC will get a signifcant points reduction in the new codex without loosing any of their rules 

 

 

Well if we are talking a about a full sized squad of TWC, then no, we have no cost effective way of dealing with them in the assault phase only. But throwing dedicated assault units against each other isn't the best use of points. 

Shoot da choppy ones, chop da shooty ones and all that... ;)

[GreyCrow]

Knife and fork said it perfectly, shoot them to death rather than engaging them in their area of expertise. Drowning them in Bolter fire from 2 tactical squads is likely to work out well (I don't remember them having a 2+ save, unless I'm mistaken).

 

If you really want to do that however, Assault Terminators with TH/SS could work out if you deliver them via a Stormraven to make sure they get the charge... Still, it's a 450-500points investment to a contest to see who's got the biggest Thunderhammer of the club.

[Jolemai]

In theory, their are only two real options we can throw at them: Death Company and Assault Terminators. (There's also Mephiston, but lets ignore him for now).

 

Death Company would need numbers and a mix of Power Weapons (Maybe a Power Lance or two, if not a Power Sword. Definitely an Axe or two) and a couple of Power Fists (depends on the Axes really). They would also need a Chaplain (preferably a Reclusiarch). Ideally he would have a Power Fist. A further buffing unit would be a Librarian for Invisibility and/or other spells.

 

Assault Terminators would need a full spread of Thunder Hammers (Initiative attacks come from the attached characters), whilst a Chaplain/Reclusiarch and a Librarian would be ideal to give the buffs mentioned above. In this case, TDA isn't necessary for them.

 

As mentioned, both would need a delivery system and both would greatly benefit from an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with Rad Grenades.

 

As for Mephiston, he needs support. Possibly a Furioso/Death Company Dreadnought with Blood Talons/Blood Fists would suffice.

[Remtek]

DC Dread with fists from a Raven works well if you can snipe the stormshield models first with dakka. Shooting them is generally your best bet, similar to the Necron Wraiths.

 

Death Company with a Land Raider will work as well if you really want to assault them. 10 DC with pistols/chainswords and a Reclu will kill over 6 wolves on avg at init4. You will only loose 1-2 models at init 4 unless he is running some init4+ wolf claws/power swords which is pretty rare. 

[TheSauce]

I think the main problem is 1 or more 2+/3++ models leading the pack. If you can get shots from the side to avoid the tanking character that could help.

 

I think fast vindicators are the answer. If you can stay out of range for a couple of turns of shooting you can put out enough damage. and doubling out the unlucky SoBs that fail their 3++ is worth it.