Eichohrkatz Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Hi, after playing for a long time 40k (Space Wolves), I decided to start a new project. Because of the fact that I love the HH Forgeworld models and the fluff my first choice are Salamanders. So here's my first 30k list: S HQ Legion Praetor (165) - Thunderhammer - Archaeotech pistol - Mantle of the Elder Elite Firedrakes (350) - Hammer and Dragonscale shield - Master w. Mastercraftet Hammer + Spartan Assault Tank (315) - armoured ceramit Apothecarian Detachment (135)- 3 Apothecaries Contemptor Dreadnought (175) - Close combat weapon - Multi-melta. Rapier Laser Destroyer (55) Standard Tactical Squad (250) - 8 Extra Marines - Legion vexilla - Sergeant w. Combi-Flamer Tactical Squad (250) - 8 Extra Marines - Legion vexilla - Sergeant w. Combi-Flamer Pyroclast Squad (300) -4 additional Pyroclasts -Warden w. Powerfist + Land Raider Phobos (250) Heavy Support Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (250)- Armored Ceramite - Four Hellstrike Missiles - Reaper Autocannon Battery Total: 2495 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 You are paying too much for the Firedrakes. Assuming its a 5 man squad all with TH/SS combo and m-c thunder hammer on the Sergeant then they should only be 350 points. Also, while the Pyroclasts are great models the prevailing thought is that they are too expensive for what they do and that you are better off with a flamer armed Support Squad. I like them so would probably use them myself anyway, but you could consider just using the models to represent a Support Squad and spending the saved points elsewhere. EDIT: Also, you don't seem to have any anti-flyer, which could be a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3838292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eichohrkatz Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ah that was a typing error sorry. ;-) I know that the pyroclasts are very expensive but this is my favourite salamanders unit so I don't want to change them. Fluff is more important than winning for me. ;-) I'm working on a second list with a raptor gunship. Some friends and I are planning a campaign arround the dropside massacre. so only in the first games there will be flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3838895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenfoods Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'd just go with heavy bolters on your tanks. They're almost never going to be stationary, most likely full 12", and you're rarely going to be using Machine Spirit for them over the Lascannons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3839068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eichohrkatz Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 You are right I was so focused on flame weapons (love them ) that I forgot about that fact. So I here's the list update (I made a second mistake because the rapier is an elite unit not a heavy support...I should stop writing lists when it becomes too late ) HQ Legion Praetor (165) - Thunderhammer - Archaeotech pistol - Mantle of the Elder Elite Firedrakes (350) - Hammer and Dragonscale shield - Master w. Mastercraftet Hammer + Spartan Assault Tank (315) - armoured ceramit Apothecarian Detachment (135)- 3 Apothecaries Contemptor Dreadnought (175) - Close combat weapon - Multi-melta. Rapier Laser Destroyer (55) Standard Tactical Squad (250) - 8 Extra Marines - Legion vexilla - Sergeant w. Combi-Flamer Tactical Squad (250) - 8 Extra Marines - Legion vexilla - Sergeant w. Combi-Flamer Pyroclast Squad (300) -4 additional Pyroclasts -Warden w. Powerfist + Land Raider Phobos (250) Heavy Support Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (250)- Armored Ceramite - Four Hellstrike Missiles - Reaper Autocannon Battery Total: 2495 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3839354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You've got your praetor eternal warrior, but with no invulnerable save he remains squishy. He needs an iron halo at least, or cataphracti armour. Also I'd add a flare shield to your Spartan. There is no reason not to. The archaeotech pistol and rapier are the best things to drop for this. You might be able to add melta bombs to your pyroclasts too, which I think would be a good option, as it means they can threaten EVERYTHING on the board. I don't really buy into this idea that pyroclasts are suboptimal. I think they bring a flexible and resilient unit to the table, and are great as troops with the covenant of fire, at least on par with the same points of flamer support marines. Maybe I'm wrong, but I say use them. Anyway, I think it is a simple solid list, and quite salamander, with a nice use of air support. Another option to consider is swapping the Phobos for a proteus with the augary web. Eight scouting pyroclasts sound great to me... And it will help bring on you fire raptor straight away. You'll lose the apothecary for this (can pyros definitely have one?), but it is an interesting option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3841306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Pyroclasts can have an apothecary. its in the list of units that they can join Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3841363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 OK. So that's in one of the Red Books then? Good to know :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3841575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yes, under the apothecary entry there is a list of the units they can be attached to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298191-my-first-horus-heresy-list-salamanders/#findComment-3841613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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