GrandMagnus Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Hi, I was playing a bit around making a 2000 points army with the Armoured Spearhead rite of war. I have a few questions that kept me confused: 1st: Apparently the spartan is the only transport able to hold 20+ models, right? 2nd: If the minimum for tactical squads is 10 marines how am I supposed to include apothecaries in the rhinos? 3rd: Whats best in a small army, rhinos or land raiders? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 1st: Apparently the spartan is the only transport able to hold 20+ models, right? Not quite, there's the Thunderhawk too. 2nd: If the minimum for tactical squads is 10 marines how am I supposed to include apothecaries in the rhinos? You can't fit a Tactical Squad and an Apothecary in a Rhino. What makes you think you're "supposed to"? If you want to take Apothecaries, you need to put them with a squad that's smaller than their transport. That could be a Tactical Squad in a Spartan, or a Veteran Tactical Squad/Tactical Support Squad/Command Squad/Seeker Squad/etc. in a Rhino/Land Raider. There are plenty of options, but Tactical Squad in a Rhino isn't one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3839874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Thats too bad about the apothecaries, because I think they work their best in the tactical squads (usually 20 men strong). About the "supposed to", its just an expresion because I wanted apothecaries in the tactical squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3839878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Okay. Then yes, you're going to need a Spartan if you want a squad consisting of 20 Tacticals and an Apothecary in an Armoured Spearhead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3839890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Dammit, spartans are so expensive :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3839892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Thinking about it, the Kharybdis and the Storm Eagle are both Transport 20 too, so they're options. No cheaper than a Spartan though. But Armoured Spearhead might not be the Rite for you if you want massed infantry like that. It's more about tanks with a bit of infantry support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3839931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, I was considering small squads in rhinos, but that means my apothecaries wouldnt be able to ride along with the tactical squads where they would be most usefull (as far as Ive heard). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3839947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Things that can hold 20 plus units inside them : Spartan, Kharybdis Assault Claw, Storm Eagle and Thunderhawk, as Lucian has stated. The RoW you might actually be looking for is Angels Wrath since that unlocks Storm Eagles as dedicated transports for Tactical Squads and since they can hold 20 units, you can fit 19 marines + apothecary. Though that means you can't take any tanks. You can, however, spam Fire Raptors and Storm Eagles (and if you're Raven Guard a Darkwing Storm Eagle) and essentially have flying tanks with lots o' Dakka. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3840138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, its definetly worth considering. None the less, the prices of both the spartan and storm eagle make my spine shiver But well, time to consider my options (or I could go for the WB unique rite of war, that way I can get daemon allies :P) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3840337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazarak Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You could do a Stormlord too - perfectly acceptable. Not less expensive though and then you cross into that Superheavy zone :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3840599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The only problem with Super Heavy Transports is that when they go boom, the units inside take a massive hit (S10 Ap1) unless they changed it in 7th? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3844958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caustic63 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 In regards to your comment about Tactical Squads with Rhinos being unable to take apothecaries due to transport capacity, I think that the idea of the apothecary is to increase the survivability of your less mobile foot based units as compensation for the fact they lack transport. It also plays a role in making large units less vulnerable to sweeping advances if things go wrong in a combat, which in a Legion army is important. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3846769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 So basically, apothercary + 2 man tactical on foot is a good idea? Good, because thats what Im going for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3846830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You might need a few more than two Marines for a foot squad though ;-) But yeah the 20 man plus apothecary foot squads are reasonably reslient, it takes a lot to chew through them, but they also take up a LOT of space and they move across the board reasonably slowly, so they are vulnerable. However the amount of fire they can pour out is impressive, especially with Fury of the Legion and even more so if they are Imperial Fists; 80 rapid firing Fury shots at BS5..... I have killed terminator squads with a single volley. With a couple of larger tact squads you then need a hammer unit or two, using the Tact as the anvil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3846845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 What kind of hammer squads for a WB army (or any standard legion in general) would you recommend? And yoeah I meant 20 :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3847168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Gal Vorbak are pretty decent (I'm not too familiar with WB rules) and maybe Ashen Circle? Terminators in a Spartan make for a Pretty big threat and are infinitely more customisable than their 40k counterparts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298261-armoured-spearhead/#findComment-3855340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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