Deamon Wolf Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 So with GW and FW not really giving us any love I was thinking of making my own Relic Flyer taken fromaround the time of the HH The Blazing Hawk 350 pts F 13 , S 12 , R 12 , BS 4 , 4 HP ( No Machine Spirit ) Psykik Pilot Transport capasity =16 men or 2 Dreadknights or 4 Dreadnaughts 2 vairent modes Anti Tank / Flyer 1 TL MM , 3 Las Cannons , 6 Hell Strike Missials , 1 use Mega Melta R 12 Large Blast Melta , 1 use oveload shot all las cannons shoot at -1 BS but can shoot 4 times each, Anti Infantary / minor anti tank 3 TL Heavy Psycannons , 2 TL Heavy Psylancer , 2 Hell Stike Missials , 2 Psykout missials ( see last dex) 2 heavy bolter sponsons what do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Learn to spell and learn to rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofTitan117 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What my Battle-Brother said. I appreciate the attempt but it is just plain difficult to read and there is a very limited grasp of rules and how a unit like the one described would impact the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 This feels very much like you want a flyer that does a bunch of cool stuff, to balance it you gave it an absurdly high point cost. Honestly, it feels a bit like a "super stormraven." If we were to get a new flyer, I imagine it would be very oriented against FMCs and/or daemon hordes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I do like seeing what ideas folks come up with out there, it usually leads to some interesting discussions followed by gripes about GW. On this unit though it has a massive ammount of firepower, by my calculations around 226 points, and it will not be able to make use of it. No system for targetting multiple units will make most of it's weaponry wasted. The transport capacity seems way off base with 4 dreadnoughts and 2 dreadknights. 4 dreadnoughts is too costly for a terrible unit and dreadknights get around just fine on their own. The av 13 on a flier is pretty high for something that most units will only hit on a 6. You keep yourself away from the most deadly common place weapons used against fliers which are sporting s7 shots. Overall if you could target multiple units I would say that it's cost is too low for it's high armor and HP, firepower and transport, but as is it could erase maybe 2 units in a game if your opponent doesn't have an answer for it. Most people would just dance around it since all weapons appear to face forward with no turret besides the HB sponsons so it would likely never win it's points back. But take all these comments as a learning experience and copy the format of a dataslate from a codex to make this easier to read. Balance a unit by giving it a strength but leave something that it doesn't do well (3 tl heavy psycannons will do well against anything just a heads up). Study the points of similar units and wargear from many codexes to price appropriately. Hope this helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Just use the loyalist one from forge world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 All I want are more assault vehicles, something that's cheaper than a landraider, but something that's more reliable than a stormraven.. Maybe an AV 12 assault tank. Or an AV 11 assault flier that's basically a flying razorback that can carry 6 dudes? For like 100pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse83 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 So with GW and FW not really giving us any love I was thinking of making my own Relic Flyer taken fromaround the time of the HH The Blazing Hawk 350 pts F 13 , S 12 , R 12 , BS 4 , 4 HP ( No Machine Spirit ) Psykik Pilot Transport capasity =16 men or 2 Dreadknights or 4 Dreadnaughts 2 vairent modes Anti Tank / Flyer 1 TL MM , 3 Las Cannons , 6 Hell Strike Missials , 1 use Mega Melta R 12 Large Blast Melta , 1 use oveload shot all las cannons shoot at -1 BS but can shoot 4 times each, Anti Infantary / minor anti tank 3 TL Heavy Psycannons , 2 TL Heavy Psylancer , 2 Hell Stike Missials , 2 Psykout missials ( see last dex) 2 heavy bolter sponsons what do you think? As long as you play with friends who have their own make up rules this is perfectly fine. I don`t like much making my own rules beacause in my opinion this game needs more balance (in order to have fun) rather fun stuff, so I tend to stick to codex only rules. As it goes for your "Blazing hawk", I`ve counted it has 11 weapons. This is a bit too much, you will be able to fire only 4 of them at most times. With front armour 13 and such waepon loadout I feel that your flayer is underpriced... Thunderhawk has front armour 12 and it is priced at over 650 points. I reacall there are "official" vehicle designe rules, I belive they were aveliable in White Dwarf and Imperial Armour books ( ask google ). They pretty much fun, as they give you more options than just copy/paste other vehicle rules (which is what you are doing right now). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse83 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 All I want are more assault vehicles, something that's cheaper than a landraider, but something that's more reliable than a stormraven.. Maybe an AV 12 assault tank. Or an AV 11 assault flier that's basically a flying razorback that can carry 6 dudes? For like 100pts 1. Chimera ? 2. Land speeder storm ? :) thank me later :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 1. Chimera ? 2. Land speeder storm ? First Blood sure is fun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 All I want are more assault vehicles, something that's cheaper than a landraider, but something that's more reliable than a stormraven.. Maybe an AV 12 assault tank. Or an AV 11 assault flier that's basically a flying razorback that can carry 6 dudes? For like 100pts 1. Chimera ? 2. Land speeder storm ? :) thank me later :P do either of them have the assault vehicle rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Land speeder Storm does, open topped = assault ramp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse83 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 land speeder storm is opentopped which is the same chimera has an open top when your enemy shoots it off with lascannon fire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Guys come on - Land Speeder Storm is a dedicated transport for Scouts, and can only ever transport Scout models. Also, AV10 in a meta that is geared towards killing Knight-Titans and Serpents? Good luck - Chimeras are not open topped. They have side AV10, so again, implying that will last long in a meta-game centred around pulling down much tougher targets. Ravens are just superior in every way. Not to mention they're a Flyer, which is very important into todays world of FMC and Flyer spam carrying a lot of armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse83 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Guys come on - Land Speeder Storm is a dedicated transport for Scouts, and can only ever transport Scout models. Also, AV10 in a meta that is geared towards killing Knight-Titans and Serpents? Good luck - Chimeras are not open topped. They have side AV10, so again, implying that will last long in a meta-game centred around pulling down much tougher targets. Ravens are just superior in every way. Not to mention they're a Flyer, which is very important into todays world of FMC and Flyer spam carrying a lot of armies. eh, My mistake, land speeder storm can transport only scouts (sorry Jbat360)- I just happen to not have a SM codex at hand. With competive games you might be right, but this topic has started around making your own vehicles (which IMHO is fun) for casual games Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298333-gery-knight-relic-flyer/#findComment-3841821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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