Shadrach03 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 From looking at nearly every book since relic type items were added to the game I believe we're the only army to get 5 instead of 6. So I would ask you all, for the sake of conversation, if you could add a relic what would it be? Name it Points cost Rules Why did you make the decision you did and what need does it fill for our army as it stands. Constructive criticisms only and no bashing please. I'll give an example to kick it off here. Conflagration (relic incinerator)-15 poitns Range S AP Type template 5 4 assault 1, shred, soul blaze, raging inferno raging inferno: After hits have been resolved from this weapon place a small blast template, or suitable marker, anywhere in contact with the large end of the flame template. This area is considered dangerous terrain for the remainder of the game. Reasoning: Relic bolters have mostly been lame and not worth the cost. Relic psycannon would almost assuredly be a compulsory choice. I believe the crowd control and potential bonus damage offered by a controllable dangerous terrain element could be used in interesting ways. EDIT: Forgot the Nemesis Banner is considered a relic but for the sake of this lets ignore it like everyone does it and Paladins already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malicth Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Shield Eternal. Lol ya I know but I think we kinda need it. With the army that fields terminators as troops we have 1 storm shield and it's in the warp more often than not. Getting a 3++ and eternal warrior would be nice on my grandmaster. I say that due to the amount of str 8 ap2 I fight against, especially in melee. If my HQ suffers a wound from a sargent with a powerfist then he is straight dead and I feel unfulfilled. On a side note I still say paladins should of been able to take storm shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 it, I'm bored. I'll bite. Aegis of Heroes - 100 points The Aegis of Heroes is the first Dreadknight ever used in combat, a powered loader for one of the chapter's battle barge macrocannons hastily transformed by the ship's techpriests and marines for a desperate teleport attack into an infested hive. In the titanic battle that followed the Aegis became a relic in it's own right, anointed in the blood of heroes and the ichor of daemons in equal measure, and both parties remember the tale well. Replaces Terminator Armor or Artificer Armor and Iron Halo. The Mantle of Heroes grants a 2+ save, a 5+ Invulnerable save, +2S, +2T, +2W and +2A. A model using the Mantle of Heroes changes it's type to Monstrous Creature (Character) and loses the Independent Character special rule. The model may select options from the Dreadknight entry of the Codex. Units from Codex: Grey Knights within 12" may re-roll die results of '6' on Leadership tests. Units with the Daemon Special rule within 12" must re-roll die results of '1' on Leadership tests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm just imagining a Grandmaster in one of those. I5 Dreadknights...so much want Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I quite like that. I think we've all wanted a dreadknight character. So why not make it a relic! :-P But other than that... All I'd ever want is an option for Eternal warrior. Even if we had to steal the vanilla sheild Eternal. Or our own one like 'Tome of the fallen'. "A book that has the names of all of the knights that have lost their lives in battle to the demonic, the names in the book are imbued with a tiny percentage of each fallen knights soul, collectively the psychic might of the tome is massive, and a fellow brother may be allowed to tap into the wealth of power at the harshest of times, shielding him from attacks that would severe even a mighty dreadknight in half" Probably jazz it up a bit... But you get the gist of it haha. Maybe 30/35pts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Terminus Decree Point Cost - Free Rules; You opened the Box. Before Deployment, roll 1d6. On a 2+ the 40k Universe Implodes and any Grey Knight Player in the current match 'wins'. Reroll any roll of a 1 to activate the Terminus Decree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Silver Halo. Special Rules: Follows the normal rules for an iron halo. In addition, if a wound from a psychic power, force weapon, daemon was blocked by the silver halo then it get repelled back to the attacker! (hits automagically but must roll to wound etc). Cost: 10 points. Availability: Any IC can upgrade to the Silver Halo (only one per army). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Making AngryBath punch himself is pretty amusing. Even funnier is if a Sorceror/Librarian with 'force' turned on hits you and you re-direct, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 That's what I was thinking I did just say Force weapon, but I meant it activated as you say As most force weapons/daemon CC/psychic powers are less than AP2 then would you prefer to use the armour save or risk the Silver Halo to stop it for lols, due to only being able to use 1 save. I just can't get rid of the imagery of Daemon Princes punching themselves in the face, only to get angrier and try even harder... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 That silver halo idea is pretty sweet. And a grandmaster with the Aegis of Heroes would be an awesome but expensive item. Would the Aegis be considered a dreadknight armor suit so that he is a converted dreadknight model or is he still terminator sized? I've often wished that we could have one for an hq though. Good stuff so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 And a grandmaster with the Aegis of Heroes would be an awesome but expensive item. Would the Aegis be considered a dreadknight armor suit so that he is a converted dreadknight model or is he still terminator sized? I've often wished that we could have one for an hq though. Yeah well you're not gonna get away with a statline like that without also being the size of a DK. There is a reason being on a Thunderwolf mandates taking a storm shield, you make yourself that much more of a target and trying to hide in cover is useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Mephiston has a pretty monstrous stat line but i do agree it should be a dreadknight rig. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Ghostform matrix- 35 ptsThe bearer of the ghostform matrix and all models in the bearers unit, when targeted by an attack of strength 8 or greater, resolve that attack at strength 7 instead. Edit- add: brother captain and grandmaster only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Now that is a damn cool item that would really make a HQ+paladins threatening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deamon Wolf Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Eternal Battle 70 pts Gains a relic Contemptor dreadnaught chassis F 13 S12 R12 , Charaiters wounds turn into Hull points, Chassis comes with 1 Heavy Psy cannon 1 Psylancer , 1 Nemisis Force Great Sword, 4 ++ save and Venerable rule can replace weapons for 2 Twinlinked Heavy Psycannons for 20 pts Modle looses independant charaictor rule Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3841873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 C'mon, make some real rules, not fanmade or fanwanted rules... Contemptotrs pattern will never be part of 40k era. I think a cool relic would be the Tesseract labyrinth that wields valeria. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Copy and paste or altered rules for it? And marine chalets can take conteptors as elites in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Canon-wise we have barely any Dreadnoughts to begin with. Also, our Chapter was founded completely independent of the Legions. The reason current-era Chapters might have Contemptors is because they're a relic of the Legions of 30k. We were never a Legion, and we already have a better alternative to a slightly more powerful Dreadnought (Dreadknight breaks Contemptors in two easily). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yeah dreadnaughts, contemptor or otherwise, aren't really the Grey Knight's thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The very long halberd - 25 pts Before he was recruited as a Grey Knight, Methaneel was a psychic pole-vaulter on his homeworld. He forged his halberd with his own hands in the midst of the plains of Titan, using the neck of a demonically possessed giraffe A model equipped with the very long halberd is considered equipped with a Nemesis Force Halberd. In addition, during the assault phase, he can make his close combat attacks against any unit within 6" of the model's base as if he were in locked with that unit. The model must be converted using a 6" red whippy stick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 I was just pointing out that contemptors still existed for codex based marine chapters, i should have been more clear. If our chapter is supposed to be the best equiped chapter they could have tossed us some stc's for fliers or something back in the day. We wouldn't have lost them like everyone else did lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I was just pointing out that contemptors still existed for codex based marine chapters, i should have been more clear. If our chapter is supposed to be the best equiped chapter they could have tossed us some stc's for fliers or something back in the day. We wouldn't have lost them like everyone else did lol. Oh okay no worries. On the subject of our tech options, you have to remember that Malcador sent Titan into the warp with a whole lot of raw resources (including hundreds of thousand of psychic recruits), and it basically sat out the whole Heresy and a good few years plus. The Inquisition barely remembered who the Grey Knights were, we only arrived just in time to be hastily (and secretly) added to the Second Founding roster. Hopefully we get some cool new stuff from GW or FW in the near future. Dreadknights feel like they're only scratching the surface. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 A bit off topic but it sounds like the Heresy stuff for forge world will go on for quite awhile so I hope they will eventually cover the origins of the Grey Knights chapter. I'm sure the rules would be intended for 30k only it would be awesome to see what they come up with, not to mention that FW character models are some of the best out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 A bit off topic but it sounds like the Heresy stuff for forge world will go on for quite awhile so I hope they will eventually cover the origins of the Grey Knights chapter. I'm sure the rules would be intended for 30k only it would be awesome to see what they come up with, not to mention that FW character models are some of the best out there. Nah they'll put off the Battle for Terra forever at this rate. Also, we're well after the Heresy, we didn't even deploy until the Second Founding occured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach03 Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 A man can dream, I'd would like to see a model of Janus and some good rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298342-relic-consistency/#findComment-3842934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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