KingBlanco1994 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Now we all know chaos marines can bind daemons into vehicles but can they do the same thing with spirits? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Now we all know chaos marines can bind daemons into vehicles but can they do the same thing with spirits? It's only a small portion who know how to bind Daemons really. Dark Mechanicus, Daemon forges, and our Warp Priests (to a point). There's never really been much talk of spirits in 40k apart from the Eldar and their fear of Slaanesh feasting on theirs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Now we all know chaos marines can bind daemons into vehicles but can they do the same thing with spirits?It's only a small portion who know how to bind Daemons really. Dark Mechanicus, Daemon forges, and our Warp Priests (to a point). There's never really been much talk of spirits in 40k apart from the Eldar and their fear of Slaanesh feasting on theirs. indeed it does seem like a rather amusing punishment for a particulary sadistic lord of slaanesh or night lords lord to hand out just because said soul provides him with amusement Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 There would be a problem with keeping it though. walking around with an unprotected soul would be like swiming in an ocean with a bucket of fish guts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Now we all know chaos marines can bind daemons into vehicles but can they do the same thing with spirits? Now we all know chaos marines can bind daemons into vehicles but can they do the same thing with spirits? Don't see why they shouldn't, if a soul can be bound to a suit of power armor ala Thousand Sons wouldn't see why it couldn't be done to something bigger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Excellent Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 The Slaaneshi daemon from the Laer sword did it to Fulgrim for a while, Dorian Gray style. The Eldar do it with Spirit Stones. Let's imagine a Chaos Sorcerer who has studied captured Spirit Stones and maybe a Warpsmith who has disassembled a few Wraithlords in his time. They get together and find someone they don't like, kill him in an elaborate ritual, then capture his soul at the moment of death. They use that captured soul, heavily protected by wards to keep it from either running away or daemons eating it, by stuffing it into an object. What kind of object? The sky is the limit. Maybe a modified daemon engine, maybe the nozzle of a nutrient tube in someone's power armour depending on what the guy did to make them angry. This thread made me think of an old horror movie called "The Asphyx." Some scientist discovers that everyone has a personal psychopomp that is summoned when that person is having a fatal or near death experience. Because it's a horror movie, he figures out that capturing someone's personal psychopomp (which he names an asphyx in the movie) makes them effectively immortal. Hijinks ensue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 The Slaaneshi daemon from the Laer sword did it to Fulgrim for a while, Dorian Gray style. The Eldar do it with Spirit Stones. Let's imagine a Chaos Sorcerer who has studied captured Spirit Stones and maybe a Warpsmith who has disassembled a few Wraithlords in his time. They get together and find someone they don't like, kill him in an elaborate ritual, then capture his soul at the moment of death. They use that captured soul, heavily protected by wards to keep it from either running away or daemons eating it, by stuffing it into an object. What kind of object? The sky is the limit. Maybe a modified daemon engine, maybe the nozzle of a nutrient tube in someone's power armour depending on what the guy did to make them angry. This thread made me think of an old horror movie called "The Asphyx." Some scientist discovers that everyone has a personal psychopomp that is summoned when that person is having a fatal or near death experience. Because it's a horror movie, he figures out that capturing someone's personal psychopomp (which he names an asphyx in the movie) makes them effectively immortal. Hijinks ensue. Indeed it struck me as a amusing idea especially for cultists who have failed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I would think so. AS previously mentioned spirit stones could be studied, which would sound difficult but really isn't under current fluff. Spirit stones only grow on Crone Worlds within the Eye so these would be relatively simple to study compared to other things in the galaxy. I've always thought spirit stones are treated to make them usable (like an ore to an alloy) so having the raw materials while a massive step forward would not be sufficient. Rather sorcerers would use debased rites to bind a soul, similar to daemon binding. The problem is why would a sorcerer go to such lengths? Vindictiveness goes a long way to explain why they would but not all the way. One thought I had which I think is cool is a Sorcerer turning on a lord at the moment of his triumph. The Lord after thousands of battles achieves what he desired - Daemonhood. The Lord begins ascending, his soul beginning to twist and be reformed into that of a daemon. Before the ascension is complete though, a terrible pain shoots into his back, with a shocking grip of ice against his soul. The sorcerer plunges a sacred blade into the Lords spine, the essence trapped mid transformation and the power of all the untapped well of chaos being poured into him now at the disposal of the wielder. The Lord is trapped into an eternity of pain and suffering - the moment of ascension is agonizing as well as the frozen chill of the blade, forever frozen in time at the moment of the greatest agony. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 I would think so. AS previously mentioned spirit stones could be studied, which would sound difficult but really isn't under current fluff. Spirit stones only grow on Crone Worlds within the Eye so these would be relatively simple to study compared to other things in the galaxy. I've always thought spirit stones are treated to make them usable (like an ore to an alloy) so having the raw materials while a massive step forward would not be sufficient. Rather sorcerers would use debased rites to bind a soul, similar to daemon binding. The problem is why would a sorcerer go to such lengths? Vindictiveness goes a long way to explain why they would but not all the way. One thought I had which I think is cool is a Sorcerer turning on a lord at the moment of his triumph. The Lord after thousands of battles achieves what he desired - Daemonhood. The Lord begins ascending, his soul beginning to twist and be reformed into that of a daemon. Before the ascension is complete though, a terrible pain shoots into his back, with a shocking grip of ice against his soul. The sorcerer plunges a sacred blade into the Lords spine, the essence trapped mid transformation and the power of all the untapped well of chaos being poured into him now at the disposal of the wielder. The Lord is trapped into an eternity of pain and suffering - the moment of ascension is agonizing as well as the frozen chill of the blade, forever frozen in time at the moment of the greatest agony. Id imagine its a rather cruel form of torture. I can easily see my Sorceror doing it to a few captured loyalists the irony not lost on him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Souls would be easier to bin than daemons. Daemons require true names and a powerful will to trap, not to mention painstakingly precise rituals just to summon them. From what we know of souls, they are but the first step on the path of becoming a daemon. A freshly killed soul has virtually no power, that is why they are consumed so easily by weakened, nameless and formless daemons so immediately after death. Much like the Hollows in Bleach, daemons can only grow in power by consuming souls. And that's the catch, while souls are powerless against daemons and sorcerers, they are still a valuable power source. Essentially, it comes down to having the same pros of binding a daemon, but with none of the control issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Souls would be easier to bin than daemons. Daemons require true names and a powerful will to trap, not to mention painstakingly precise rituals just to summon them. From what we know of souls, they are but the first step on the path of becoming a daemon. A freshly killed soul has virtually no power, that is why they are consumed so easily by weakened, nameless and formless daemons so immediately after death. Much like the Hollows in Bleach, daemons can only grow in power by consuming souls. And that's the catch, while souls are powerless against daemons and sorcerers, they are still a valuable power source. Essentially, it comes down to having the same pros of binding a daemon, but with none of the control issues. Indeed thats what i was thinking. Obviously they wouldnt do this with Eldar souls loyalist souls however are perfect for this purpose Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Actually, do to their longevity and natural psychic abilities, I'd argue that the eldar souls would be like jet fuel. Very high octane. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Actually, do to their longevity and natural psychic abilities, I'd argue that the eldar souls would be like jet fuel. Very high octane. I dont think Slaanesh would be happy his favorite food being stolen however Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Hey, if the Dark Eldar can barter with Slaanesh, a sorcerer should be able to as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Slaanesh? Pssht. He's the boss' problem. We do Tzeentch's work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Actually, do to their longevity and natural psychic abilities, I'd argue that the eldar souls would be like jet fuel. Very high octane.I dont think Slaanesh would be happy his favorite food being stolen howeverI reckon Slaanesh would be tickled at the thought of his followers putting Eldar souls through the torment of being in her service. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBlanco1994 Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Actually, do to their longevity and natural psychic abilities, I'd argue that the eldar souls would be like jet fuel. Very high octane.I dont think Slaanesh would be happy his favorite food being stolen howeverI reckon Slaanesh would be tickled at the thought of his followers putting Eldar souls through the torment of being in her service. That is also a good point :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298419-can-chaos-space-marines-bind-spirits-into-engines/#findComment-3843977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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