Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Even the Night Lords are impersonating members of the Ultramarines now? Well, it's not as if that's difficult. I don'ts know, I feel like I'd have to starch the power armor. And being punctual? Definitely not in my resume. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Case in point, this is not a Night Lord story. It was a Crimson Son story, maybe one of the last of his kind. I, for one, could stand a much longer story about this fella. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 He called himself a Night Lord. Its a Night Lords story. The Crimson Sons were only the dudes who went on babysitting detail with a Rogue Trader. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yet, when questioned by Sevatar whether he had ever been one of them, he intentionally didn't respond. Crimson Son. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Aye, Crimson Sons only represent a single part of the Terran VIII Legion, effectively a single expedition. The Legion itself had no name prior to the Night Lords. It doesn't say when the name was given, but the first time the name is used in the FW article is when it starts talking about Nostramo. Before, FW only uses the 'VIII Legion' moniker. Implication being the Legion name is Nostraman in origin, given by Curze himself, and the Legion was nameless or its name was unknown to the wider Imperium prior to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 It's my preferred theory, and I'm still sticking to it. Besides, 'Crimson Sons' sounds so much cooler than VIII Legion. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yeah, I'd argue the mentality is much larger than just the Crimson Sons. Have to pick a new name Heathens. I'd also wager that the "different night" isn't just relating to "being Terran" but rather a different mindset than the what we would consider the typical Nostraman. For example, we know Sevatar doesn't care if one is a Nostraman or not as we have seen Terran Atramentar and Terran Kyroptera. Heck, he even brought one of the XIX to be a Kyroptera. So to me, the "different night" is for anyone who still tortures and kills and keeps in line with the VIII's mentality(much like we see of Zharost) but doesn't draw the same sadistic pleasure. Chances are, the only people who would fit into this group are the earlier Terrans, the very early Nostramans(most likely only the first generation) and then who knows how many recruits from the worlds in the Eastern Fringe they drew up from. What's funny is, how Zharost uses his powers gives me an idea of where Forgeworld is saying the Tenebrae came from. Who's kidding? I had that idea before, Zharost just reinforces the connection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Wait, what? The Crow is made a Kyroptera? One of the Night Lord commanders? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The mute? The one who just stands there? Sev's pet? One of the half dozen highest ranking Night Lords? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yep. He just doesn't get to lead one of the six Great Companies. What with there being only six companies and seven Kyroptera. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 So he is less one of them and more just . . . present? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 No, he is still one of them but, how should I put it? If you were a gang of backstabbing murders who only obeyed those who had taken charge and were willing to do whatever it took to stay in charge, would you really let just some random outsider who can't even talk tell you what to do just because the First Captain who is never around told you that the mute is in charge? The Crow is still one of the Kyroptera. Sevatar sees him the same way Talos sees Variel. Brothers in spirit, if not blood. But Sevatar is also smart enough that if he put the Crow in charge of one seventh of the whole Legion of the most infamous murderers in the galaxy, the Crow would be killed by sheer numbers. The others have whole companies behind them. Like the gang wars of old, the biggest danger of going after them is that everyone dies. But a single, solitary outsider that no one cares about except the First Captain and he's off leading a different part of the Legion? Who cares what Sevatar thinks, kill the guy and take over. Of course, that isn't how things worked out since both are now prisoners aboard the Invincible Reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Since the e-book is out, but there is still some interesting conversation being tossed about, I have moved this to the Black Library section, so the conversation can carry on. =][= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3846955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctem Cultor Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It was different, im not a fan of shorts especially ones where im learning the characters and alots happening. But it may set the scene for much more so worth a read just in case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3847848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 First thing, I am not a fan of the Night Lords, second thing I am not a fan of melodrama, but this short story got a 7/10 from me. First thing first, it is a about a psyker Night Lord which is special itself, second it writes about a Terran Night Lord, awesome I say... but above all it offers some very important glimpses for any lore fan. We learn about life in the dark vaults of Terra, we learn how a Night Lord might use his psychic powers in battle or to instill fear and we also know that the outlook of a Terran Night Lord still spared some of the old Terran dignity and honor when compared to the Nostramans... a touching thing IMO. All in all the short story was a great read and I recommend it. I stand behind my vote, 7/10. John French really knows how to write about psykers, librarians and sorcerers in general, and here he proved that he has a flair for the macabre too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3850397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I thought it was great, is it setting up another story? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298519-new-hh-night-lords-short/page/2/#findComment-3851331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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