AfroCampbell Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 which primarchs are: A)Most survivable B)Gonna kill other primarchs the most effectively C)Weakest in combat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Horus wins most of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonkey Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Do you mean by tabletop or by lore? And also perhaps you should designate a time frame, so we don't go about comparing Chaos Chosen Horus or Daemon Prince Angron to their less invested brethren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Tabletop with existing Primarchs rule sets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Survivable I'd probably plump for Ferrus or Vulkan, they're the "tanking" Primarchs we've seen so far. As for killing, Horus/Angron/Curze are the three stand outs for me. Weakest.....probably Lorgar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 As for killing, Horus/Angron/Curze are the three stand outs for me.Sanguinius and Russ below Curze? Really? Oh wait...tabletop nvm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Survivable I'd probably plump for Ferrus or Vulkan, they're the "tanking" Primarchs we've seen so far. As for killing, Horus/Angron/Curze are the three stand outs for me. Weakest.....probably Lorgar Mortarion surely has to be in with a shout for most durable as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 From my own tests (which should be taken with some salt since I had them all go against a lost Primarch and I've only gotten through half of them) Horus with his Disabling Strike is by far one of the most dangerous Primarchs. Just a couple of those wounds and soon any Primarch will be hitting him like a guardsman. Mortarion is indeed one of the toughest out there so far. And Lorgar (Transcended) is fairly dangerous since he can just grab Invisibility. Whether or not it goes off is another matter. Some of the weakest in one-on-one combat is Corax and Alpharius since Corax only has a 5+ Invul, while Alpharius is supposed to pick and choose his own fights since he's hidden until he doesn't want to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think Corax is also let down by the change in the blind law. I was hoping the RG units with blind would get a little update but I don't think they will. Corax could either do with a higher WS or better save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 This reminded me that I'm due to play a game in December that will likely have Vulkan and Mortarion on the same battlefield, so I decided to see what would happen if they met in combat. 10 rounds of dice rolling and they were still on 5 wounds each. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 A ) Top three (least-most) roughly goes Ferrus, Vulkan, Mortarion.B ) Horus and Fulgrim with Fireblade make a damn good go of it. C ) Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 We actually tried this on TT: Horus won the most number of battles, then Lorgar with Invis, then Angron. Mortarion was survivable but couldn't kill the others very fast. The above was all in Close Combat though. Didn't try with Ranged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I feel like Angron is kinda underrated. Seems like he would have some serious potential to wound Horus on that first round, since he'd be hitting first on a re-rollable 3+ and wounding on a 2 with at least six attacks correct? Hmm... That is only an average of two wounds after Horus' 3++ though. On the other hand, Horus would only cause an average of a single wound to Angron though. Now I'm even more undecided than before I sat down to do the math :( To:dr - Angron is Killy, Horus might have a shot, Kurze wins by default ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Angron would pretty much win any primarch fight if he was allowed to Grind some kills prior to get hit maximum +1 Attacks per unit destroyed by him. 18 Attacks on the charge would be unsurvivable barring RNGesus intervention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Only ten attacks. The bonus attacks only boost his attack stat up to a max of ten, not a max of ten bonuses. Also, why the balls does he only have five wounds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I suppose they had to make Angron have some weakness. So he can boost his attack stat to ten, but then he can get a max of 13 from rage and two ccws, correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Thirteen, that's what I meant to say. Yup. I always took his weakness(es) to be his lack of proper army buffs and his 3+ save. Hell, he could get plinked to death by some wily Howling Banshees. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He "could" be killed by howling banshees in the same way they "could" glance a leman Russ to death from the sass end. Chances are more likely they go first, hit with one out of every three attacks, wound with none of them, then have a good 6-8 of their number butchered, fail the break check and get curb stomped. Then again, Angron is a lot more points than banshees. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Angron would pretty much win any primarch fight if he was allowed to Grind some kills prior to get hit maximum +1 Attacks per unit destroyed by him. 18 Attacks on the charge would be unsurvivable barring RNGesus intervention. "And may the dice be with you, brother." Yeah if you give Angron some red shirts to eat up, then he can max his attacks and probably beast Horus in a round or two. The cause for concern is that Horus' talon is AP3 and can easily eat through Angrons saves. Most of these primarchs actually wind up like the praetor stalemate that happens on lower levels. The two models just continually beat on each other ad infinitum until one of them pulls of a really lucky go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 He "could" be killed by howling banshees in the same way they "could" glance a leman Russ to death from the sass end. Chances are more likely they go first, hit with one out of every three attacks, wound with none of them, then have a good 6-8 of their number butchered, fail the break check and get curb stomped. Then again, Angron is a lot more points than banshees. Lies, they can't plink a Russ. You liiiiieeeee. But yeah, I know what you mean. It just tickled me somewhat. That and I couldn't think of anything else with a power sword when I was typing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3846998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Most of these primarchs actually wind up like the praetor stalemate that happens on lower levels. The two models just continually beat on each other ad infinitum until one of them pulls of a really lucky go. You ain't just whistling dixie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3847007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Most of these primarchs actually wind up like the praetor stalemate that happens on lower levels. The two models just continually beat on each other ad infinitum until one of them pulls of a really lucky go. You ain't just whistling dixie. Yeah, essentially both of these big beatsticks will face each other in combat because neither side can afford to have the other run around with a primarch through their lines. But this does technically bring about balance, if not a stalemate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3847045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I notice that Rogal Dorn isnt mentioned in either groups. Is he so middle of the road? I know his main strengths are in buffing his army but I thought he was still reasonably potent? (never fielded him though). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3847056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Just finished going through 3 rounds with him and kinda. He does bring good things to the table and will massacre most space marines against him, but he is a 'balanced' fighter. A bit early, but it feels like Perturabo fits in the same area as he does. Both have reasonable defenses, between Perturabo's 3+ Invul and Dorn's "you can't wound me higher than a 3+" you can't quickly overwhelm them without the dice being weird. Between Forgebreaker and Sundering Blow, both of them can hit hard, but neither of them throw out a lot of attacks, both being just 4. So yeah. They feel like they balance their offense and their defense, so they don't excel at either unlike Angron and Mortarion, while Horus just has all of the excellent wargear combined with decent stats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3847068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I notice that Rogal Dorn isnt mentioned in either groups. Is he so middle of the road? I know his main strengths are in buffing his army but I thought he was still reasonably potent? (never fielded him though). He has very few attacks and doesn't have the option of striking at his own initiative, so against the more combat proficient primarchs he struggles. Additionally, he only has a 4+ invulnerable, but can't dish out masses of wounds to compensate (eg Angron). I'd say in terms of combat ability he is middle-ish. He's far from the flashiest in combat, in line with his personality I suppose but I've heard a lot of disappointed (whether rightly or wrongly is entirely up to you) IF players as a reuslt of his rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/#findComment-3847071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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