AfroCampbell Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 im more curious about the weakest... corax, lorgar, alpharius? im more curious about the weakest.... lorgar, corax, alpharius? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Lorgar with his psyker tricks is one of the most powerful. Easy access to Invisibility is just unfair, especially with that re-roll thing he's got going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Definitely not Alpharius. The Pale Spear is pretty hardass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Depends. If Lorgar has Transcended, Corax is the weakest. If not, Lorgar is the weakest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm a little surprised that it's Non-Transcended Lorgar < Corax < everyone else I always thought Corax was around Curze-level (not as physically strong but more disciplined) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well, Corax isn't meant to be a head to head Primarch Fighter. He's supposed to play as he does in the Fluff : A hit n' run, Guerrilla Tactics Freedom Fighter with a penchant for Stealth and sudden assaults. That said, thats exactly what his rules permit. With the Panoply of the Raven letting you give Corax a leg up in something he might be facing. Also with his "ninja vanish" ability letting him be able to hop in and out of combat as is convenient for his player and never going into long protracted fights with the likes of Angron is what he's supposed to do. If he was upper-mid tier in terms of Primarch Power he'd be pretty overpowered, imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm a little surprised that it's Non-Transcended Lorgar < Corax < everyone else I always thought Corax was around Curze-level (not as physically strong but more disciplined) Nah... Corax hides in the dark, but we are why the dark is feared. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraCaptain Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 What do you think about Perturabo? With and without hammer, is he a medium-fighter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 What do you think about Perturabo? With and without hammer, is he a medium-fighter? Yes, for the reasons I've listed in an earlier post. Forgebreaker shifts him from lower-medium to upper-medium, but he's still in that range. It's the low attack count that keeps him from doing a lot of damage a turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Corax's main weakness is lack of ability to take a punch compared to the others. Slightly less durable than Angron without being able to hit as hard. But as Slippy up there said, he's not a brawler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 What do you think about Perturabo? With and without hammer, is he a medium-fighter? Yes, for the reasons I've listed in an earlier post. Forgebreaker shifts him from lower-medium to upper-medium, but he's still in that range. It's the low attack count that keeps him from doing a lot of damage a turn. I feel like Perturabo is much more of a force multiplier than some of the other Primarchs. Not quite as cool as having an entire legion that causes fear, but it's a start. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm still torn on Corax. In TFH Lorgar makes the observation about how Corax is a much more ferocious warrior than anyone had given him credit for but that doesn't translate very well into what he should be doing on the tabletop. Although I'm glad nobody opted to give him his Invisibility since he would probably win hands down that way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm a little surprised that it's Non-Transcended Lorgar < Corax < everyone else I always thought Corax was around Curze-level (not as physically strong but more disciplined) Nah... Corax hides in the dark, but we are why the dark is feared. ^_^ I would dispute that, you use the darkness to fuel the fear you love, we use the darkness to kill. While your busy skinning the corpse of some army soildier, we are moving through the shadows to kill the enemy command. On topic, I think Corax was considered a bit of an unknown amongst his brothers, and Lorgar fought an enraged version who was probally much closer to Curze. Rule wise I think he was better with the old blind rule, but his rules are probally very true to the background, he is a kill by many cuts sort of guy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3847993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Rule wise I think he was better with the old blind rule I think Corax is also let down by the change in the blind law. Could you explain how blind has been nerfed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3848278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well it has changed from testing immediatly whenever hit with every attack, to becoming one test at the end of the phase if they got hit at all. Seems like a big change to me, reduces the chance of blinding an opponent and reducing Corax abiloty to survive combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298558-primarch-arena/page/2/#findComment-3848287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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