Brom MKIV Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'm interested in including some MSU elements into my army. Last I played GKs I was running henchmen in chimeras for some flavor. This got me thinking, what about codex: militarum tempestus, aka storm troopers? For example: 5 cmd squad, 4 meltas- 125 5 cmd squad, 4 meltas- 125 5 scions, 2 mg- 90 5 scions, 2 mg- 90 All with deep strike and move through cover. Probably the more effective and 'needed' inclusion but also the less mobile and more suicidal. Still an awesome little 'package' to include with GKs. I almost forgot.. orders! Equivalent to IG iirc. However the other option I was looking at for starters is: inquisitor, 2 servo skulls- 31 (+ stuff) 4 henchmen- psyker, 3 acolytes- meltas, chimera- 2 hb, psybolts- 112 4 henchmen- psyker, 3 acolytes- meltas, chimera- 2 hb, psybolts- 112 4 henchmen- psyker, 3 acolytes- meltas, chimera- 2 hb, psybolts- 112 I love chimeras so ill just start with that. Also av12 draws fire from NDKs decently regardless of giving up FB, which other things will do anyway against any savvy determined player. Lastly I like the aspect of shooting meltas from inside the tank and the option of embarking TDA. One other perk is the huge potential to customize certain squads for stormraven deployment or what-have-you. Oh and of course shriek from inside too. Both are disposable, both can have carapace armour if desirable. So thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Personally, I don't like MT allies for GKs. What we need are cheap troops that spend the game hiding, rather than expensive troops that need to be in our opponents face. Just my two cents however, as there have been a few people that have mentioned using them effectively. I've been running 3x henchman units in psybacks since the new codex dropped, and it's done fairly well. I imagine that psymeras would perform similarly, though I've never used them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3847114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Psymeras are great against T3 troops and as robust as the Psyback but with greater fire points. I'd almost certainly go the route of Inquisition allies if only for the 3 extra WC :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3847291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Thats what I'm leaning towards. Melta and psychic shriek from inside is just appealing. The other route would probably be psybacks just for some 63 pt scoring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3847644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yeah I'd be taking Henchmen. They're better than Scions in every measurable way, as are Inquisitors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3848115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoldenThrone Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Yeah I'd be taking Henchmen. They're better than Scions in every measurable way, as are Inquisitors. For the benefit of those of us who are relatively new to GK, Inq and the game (am I the only one?), can you explain why/how the Henchmen are better than Scions for addressing our high AV gap? Thanks for your help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3848768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Actually its not as clear cut as that, otherwise I wouldn't be stewing on it. In a nutshell though, henchmen are cheaper, more flexible and pack the same heavy/special weapons while the inquisitor brings access to servo skulls which obviously mesh perfectly with NSF. In my case though I mostly care about melta and skulls and the psyker which is gold at 10 pts for a warp charge and access to telepathy etc. However regarding melta squads the henchmen have it worse in terms of delivery and bs 3, although this is partly made up for by access to psybolt rides and some of the better transports in the imperium. Scions otoh are far less flexible have less transport options and rigid unit sizes. What they do have and what attracted me to them in the first place, is BS 4 and deep strike. Caveat is I am really just looking for some MSU elements that are reasonably effective and bring some diversity to my list. Otherwise I would probably lean more towards the scions (dual cmd 5 meltas, 2 scions 3 meltas) or else LotD and podded melta + cents.. but thats boring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3848790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 For the benefit of those of us who are relatively new to GK, Inq and the game (am I the only one?), can you explain why/how the Henchmen are better than Scions for addressing our high AV gap? You can buy 'Prescience' and another Divination power for the squad with a 10pt upgrade. BS3 with re-rolls is better than BS4, especially for melta. Razors can be spammed cheaply with Henchmen, with a variety of loadouts. You also have Chimeras as an option too. Inquisitors are massive force-multipliers not just for their Henchmen, but for any Allied units they join and buff. They are also extremely cheap for what they do. Storm bolter Acolytes are 7ppm. Servitors are 10-20 points depending on loadout and provide significant anti-infantry firepower at the cost of mobility (and you need an Inquisitor attached so they don't go brain-dead at inopportune moments). You can build better shooty squads than Marines and AM, at the cost of durability and mobility. Scions do suicide melta/plasma and that's really it. Hot-shots sound great but in practise S3 and range 18" hold you back a lot, plus being on T3 4+ armour infantry means you melt to enemy retaliation. They also only get 2 specials per squad, whereas Henchmen can take 3 specials, plus servitors, plus monkeys if need be. Also, both have access to Valkyries, so either one can be bombed on the enemy when you come on from Reserve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3849069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 BTW, anyone knows if there will be a new release of codex Inquisition?, if you think about, how can they have access to a better version of Psycannon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3851150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 There will be a new version. It is supposed to be out this year. Perhaps a november release? I wouldn't expect them to have a pyscannon or pyschic pilots in the new one from what ive been told Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3851158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 BTW, anyone knows if there will be a new release of codex Inquisition?, if you think about, how can they have access to a better version of Psycannon? Are you talking printed copy or an update to the dataslate we have already? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3851238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Since the data slate already received an update I would be surprised if they got another one. Also I thought that update changed the psycan to salvo.. I might be mistaken though since it never really comes into play with tda. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3851304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoldenThrone Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 My updated C:I data slate still has Psycannons listed as Assault 2/Heavy 4, Rending. The Assassins, of course, have now been removed. The last rumour I saw, indicated the Inquisition update would be a hardback. But that rumour dates back to August, about the same time the GK codex rumours were flying around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3852473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The good is that when the Inquisition get the awful new Salvo psycannon, it won't matter, because the only dude who takes it is the Malleus Inquisitor in TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3852846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 My updated C:I data slate still has Psycannons listed as Assault 2/Heavy 4, Rending. The Assassins, of course, have now been removed. O_O That's a, :cuss move. So you purchase a book for x amount of cash, and GW have just removed content form you. They should have left alone until they updated C:I and sold a new product. I'm starting to despise the electronic only goods... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3852957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 With the exception of the DCA, there were no assassins in the inquisition book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3853175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Which is fine, because Assassins have insanely better rules in their data-slate now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3853561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozzo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Which is fine, because Assassins have insanely better rules in their data-slate now.Then they should have the updated rules in C:I, unless their whole marketing scheme left out any mention of assassins. EDIT: IndigoJack is correct, I couldn't find any reference to Officio Assassins in C:I. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3853756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 A lol. Rant was my bad then. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3853769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 They've got their own data-slate dudes, no need for Inquisition to have them anymore. I guess you could say the Inquisition has been...Knighted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3853798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoldenThrone Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 ... The Assassins, of course, have now been removed. My mistake. My 5th Ed GK codex was an electronic version, and on my iPad it looked virtually identical to the cut-and-paste Codex Inquisition. Because, well, it *is* mostly identical. Anyway, I mis-remembered the original C:I release as including the Temple Assassins in the cut-and-paste job, when in fact they stayed behind in the GK codex. Temporarily. Apologies for the confusion. Though watching the rants is always fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298591-allies-inquisition-or-tempestus-scions/#findComment-3856196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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