b1soul Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Does Conquest cover the Thramas Crusade, the Shadow Crusade? I mean those conflicts are a gold mine. I hope Conquest isn't just about the Shattered Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3849142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 It...kinda is and isn't. The focus will be more on the Imperial Army, Knight Houses and the (dark) Mechanicum. Book after that will be Word Bearers vs Ultramarines at Calth (maybe covering stuff before or after). After that its anyone's guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3849158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Those will have their own volumes. As I understand the current plans are: Vol V: The Battle of Calth Vol VI: The Shadow Crusade Both featuring Ultramarines, Daemonic Word Bearers, Ultramar Army Units and (hopefully) Angron Ascended There was talk of Thramas and Signus being included in one book to get both the I and IX Legions out in one go and of course Prospero aka Inferno will have the Thousand Sons, Space Wolves, Custodes and Sisters of Silence. Sadly the White Scars are last out of the gate, hopefully before it actually gets to the Siege of Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3849187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Its kinda ironic that the fastest legion will be the slowest to get rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3849264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Instead of thinking them slowest to get their rules, they are having the most amount of time to have their rules refined and perfected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3849650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Its kinda ironic that the fastest legion will be the slowest to get rules. The red ones go faster. I wonder if the Sisters of Silence rules will make any sense ported over to 40k and Sisters of Battle models. I know the two organizations don't have much to do with each other, but it makes more sense than using Space Marine rules (something about bodies that small having T4 is a bit silly...), and anything is better than using our current codex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3849675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Those will have their own volumes. As I understand the current plans are: Vol V: The Battle of Calth Vol VI: The Shadow Crusade Both featuring Ultramarines, Daemonic Word Bearers, Ultramar Army Units and (hopefully) Angron Ascended There was talk of Thramas and Signus being included in one book to get both the I and IX Legions out in one go and of course Prospero aka Inferno will have the Thousand Sons, Space Wolves, Custodes and Sisters of Silence. Sadly the White Scars are last out of the gate, hopefully before it actually gets to the Siege of Terra White Scars might have to wait for the siege Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Oh man, that would not be fun.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Oh man, that would not be fun.... If you're referring to the Scars... Do they fight the Alpha Legion and/or the Death Guard pre-Siege? They fight the Orks but I don't think we'll be getting a Scars/Orks book. The Scars confronted the Death Guard over Prospero as their primarchs duked it out Did the Scars ever fight the Alpha Legion...perhaps that could be a bit of new fluff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Well, the Scars could be featured in the Prospero book with the Death Guard as a Post Burning timeline. Also, may get them in along side the Alpha Legion in any future releases as you've said. That way their not waiting till the Siege to be Featured since thats a long ways away if we've got Conquest, Calth (maybe 2 books), Signus Prime + Caliban (or whatever they do with the Dark Angels) and Prospero to be done before Terra is ever covered. Even then we might get a book on Mars to take place before Terra Too. Scars in the Prospero Book but in a Post-Burning Capacity would be nice. Seeing them Earlier would be even better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Well, the Scars could be featured in the Prospero book with the Death Guard as a Post Burning timeline. Splendid idea The Scars vs. Death Guard confrontation doesn't justify a whole book...but it's definitely not something to be ignored. The Prospero book should definitely cover it in the same way Extermination covers the Battle of Phall Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I think it is more likely that they will include new conflicts covered that will bring the scars into the fray. Also the battle of Tallarn initially included the Scars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 White Scars might have to wait for the siege FW has already stated they will be the last Legion to get models, and will be in the final book(The Siege, most certainly). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 White Scars might have to wait for the siege FW has already stated they will be the last Legion to get models, and will be in the final book(The Siege, most certainly). ...Well..Thats just..not fair... They're already the most looked over Legion/Chapter, now they'll be featured last? Oh well, hopefully that gives Forgeworld the time to really nail down their rules and aesthetic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I was originally going to do V Legion for my 30k army, but when I read that, I looked at the ones that were going to have rules in the first 3 books and went with VIII. *Edit* That just gives me more time to get better at sculpting, and FW more practice with Primarch models. I will have a V Legion force at some point, and I think it will be glorious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3850794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Observant Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Brother Kage where did you find this information? I have traveled many years over the internet scouring information from games days since 2012 and reports and rumors from all including the most recent warhammerfest, no where I have seen has confirmed the scars as in the last book, they will most likely be the last legion done, but I haven't seem FW confirm they will have to wait for the siege, what proof do you have for this information? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Brother Kage where did you find this information? I have traveled many years over the internet scouring information from games days since 2012 and reports and rumors from all including the most recent warhammerfest, no where I have seen has confirmed the scars as in the last book, they will most likely be the last legion done, but I haven't seem FW confirm they will have to wait for the siege, what proof do you have for this information? Purely conjecture. Forgeworld has pretty clearly implied that there will be many more books before the siege, beyond the few we have listed here. I have no doubt that the White Scars will turn up somewhere in there. Edit: What I mean to say is, Brother Kage has the correct facts but I don't believe there is as clear a link as some. Yes they will be the last to get models. Yes they will be at the Siege. That does not mean to me that they will only get models once we reach the siege. If that makes sense. I apologize Kage, I didn't mean to sound confrontational. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 White Scars might have to wait for the siege FW has already stated they will be the last Legion to get models, and will be in the final book(The Siege, most certainly). Even if that's true, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll only be covered by a Siege of Terra volume (though it's possible) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I can't find it now, but it was around the time that they were announcing which Legions were going to be in Extermination at some event, and in a Q&A someone asked about the Scars, and the answer was that they would be dead last. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I can't find it now, but it was around the time that they were announcing which Legions were going to be in Extermination at some event, and in a Q&A someone asked about the Scars, and the answer was that they would be dead last. Yeah...but does that means we won't see them until the Siege, I hope not By the way, was the above statement before or after Wraight's Scars because Scars provides a great opportunity to work the Vth into the Prospero book. Forge World would be remiss to neglect it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Given everything else that's slated in Prospero I'd amazed if they included another Legion. It would be great granted but the amount of work needed for it would be huge not to mention it would have to be narratively perfected too, which I just don't see. I mean you can't really build up the whole Fall of Prospero with the main battle and tuck in later "oh by the way later on these guys showed up" Doesn't fit imo. That being said I'd be perfectly happy if we got another book like Conquest (ie full of FW created narrative) if it provided a suitable platform to include the Scars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majorbookworm Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I've heard that they are planning something like 20 books. While that seems a bit high, its clear that the plot FW have established has quite a ways to go yet, so we'll probably see them in a pre-siege battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I've said similar things before, but this Scars talk brings it home again. I can't help but think of Conquest as something of a poor move on FWs part. Spinning their wheels to wring more cash out of the Heresy. I know that sounds somewhat harsh, but I think its BS to do a book like Conquest when a third of the Legions have not had any attention. To my mind, FW should have focussed on getting GC/early Heresy era info out for all the Legions (like they did with the first 12) before moving on to anything else. That said, I agree with Balthamal, don't put the Scars into Prospero. In addition to not fitting the narrative, that book's delayed enough as it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Given everything else that's slated in Prospero I'd amazed if they included another Legion. It would be great granted but the amount of work needed for it would be huge not to mention it would have to be narratively perfected too, which I just don't see. I mean you can't really build up the whole Fall of Prospero with the main battle and tuck in later "oh by the way later on these guys showed up" Doesn't fit imo. That being said I'd be perfectly happy if we got another book like Conquest (ie full of FW created narrative) if it provided a suitable platform to include the Scars Extermination has the Battle of Phall...so Prospero could have Scars vs. Death Guard I don't think adding WS and DG to Prospero is that much work. I mean...a book like Massacre has a lot more factions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 In fairness Extermination had Phall because they wanted to get four Legions in and the fact that the Iron Warriors were on Istvaan V and at Phall made it convenient to get the Imperial Fists in as well. And you also have to remember that the Istvaan V section wasn't an overview of the main battle. That was completely covered in Massacre. It was only concerned about the Ninety Eight day hunt for any survivors which played nicely to the Raven Guard. Although having Paramar in there certainly took the narrative off the beaten track as it were so I'll concede that one. But in all seriousness, putting out a volume that includes: Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Custodians, Sisters of Silence, Prosperine Spire Guard, any Knights/Titan Legions/Mechanicum Forces and then additionally a full Legion in the White Scars plus extra bits about the Death Guard? That's an enormous book by any standards. They could include them in the narrative sections without an issue but I don't think anyone would dispute that giving them some story time and then neglecting rules/models would cause a massive uproar. Now that a little short has been posted about the Death Guard pretty much massacring the systems around Prospero after being given a lesson by the Khan, I'd have no problem seeing that being expanded into Vol VII or VIII but then one of them is almost 100% marked as the Blood Angels and/or Dark Angels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298611-conquest/page/2/#findComment-3851793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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