ZONKEY Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi, Just a really minor question, can Luther still be operated by the dark gods or is he now completely loyal to his former legion,is Luther loyal or a liability for the dark angels brethren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Neither as far as i recall. He's a broken shell, the chaos gods turned their backs on him and the remaining da's no longer trust him. I thought he was kept in stasis between their visits though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He's kept in a stasis cell and used as oracle. Doesn't matter where his loyalties lie... we just use him for intel and store him again. Also I recall that is is quite the raveing lunatic, so you can't say he's loyal to DA or agent of Chaos powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 He rolled well (?) on the Chaos Spawn table and just went insane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 How can you trust him for Intel if he's a traitor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smede Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Actually all the Supreme Grand Maters of the Dark Angels have tried to get a confession out of him. So i don't think they trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The intel that does come out is like Nostradamas, Could be anything until after it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Zonkey, the Dark Angels have ways of extracting the truth from uncooperative traitors. Namely torture and psychic probing. Also, what Brother Dean said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Luther is more like an antenna... He occasionally picks up signals from chaos but he isnt being run by them anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 On a side discussion, Luther always mentions the Lion will pardon him when he comes back. Fast forward to that time, would Luther's mind still be scrambled after that or would the Lion's pardon banish the remaining threads of Chaos in his mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well it will interesting to if or how they model Luther in 30k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 He's kept in a stasis cell and used as oracle. . Oh I don't know. I've found some additional uses for Luther. For example... when I have a game where I roll a lot of 1's, I'll take those dice aside. One dice for everytime I roll a 1. Then I go down to the depths of the rock and I ask him if it was his fault. He usually says, "No Prot, you just have really poopy luck". This is the part where I start whipping the dice at him as hard as I can and then just when he thinks the pain will end, I kick him square in the 'little lion'. Typically he starts crying at this point. Does it ever change the amount of 1's I roll? Not really but I feel better afterwards. On a side note I just started a few chapters into the 2nd Dark Angels HH novel. I took a break from it to read Vengenful Spirit which was a great HH novel. But I'm back to the Dark Angel's novel. It's weird reading Luther as he is certain that the Lion has blacklisted them. I don't know why on Caliban that the Lion didn't talk it over with him before sending him back. Anyway, the novel focuses on Luther I suppose and quite a few people warned me about the DA HH novels saying they were the worst of the bunch. I've read almost all of the other HH stuff though so I thought I owed it to the DA side of me to read at least the second novel as it's apparently the better of the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 DA dedicated novrls are really the worse of the bunch. And we get no reasining why Luther was sent home... maybe in future instalments things get clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrk Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 DA worst of the bunch? I see you haven't read Deliverance Lost, Battle for the Abyss, or The Outcast Dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 DA worst of the bunch? I see you haven't read Deliverance Lost, Battle for the Abyss, or The Outcast Dead... This isn't the place to discuss it so I'll just say that yes I have read all HH novels and the 2 dedicated DA novels are the worse, because they disapointed me. They could have done so much better with DA lore. So we will agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I always had the impression that the Lion felt/came to the conclusion that Luther and Zahariel were involved in the bomb plot, and given his lack of trust, this simple perception was enough for him to banish them. I need to go back and read that part again though. As far as Luther... Stark raving looney that isn't loyal, as we'd know it, to anyone, but still touched by the Warp in the brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 The funny thing is, as I read into the DA book I see no evidence of any conversation with Luther... no indication of any reasoning period. I've thought about all the other HH books where the Lion is featured, and I don't recall anything there either. However, the way the Lion is written, I would strongly suggest that his personality is such that *if* he had an ounce of distrust in one of his men then 1) he would confront him, face to face. And 2) he would not entrust the grooming of Caliban's finest to anyone he did not trust 100%. Just my take on it. Luther is certainly interesting though. He's written in this novel as feeling outcasted by the Lion even if he puts on a wonderful parade for Caliban. I would think that there is huge potential for revisiting this character post HH novels... since he's still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The funny thing is, as I read into the DA book I see no evidence of any conversation with Luther... no indication of any reasoning period. I've thought about all the other HH books where the Lion is featured, and I don't recall anything there either. Really? That surprises me. The conversation Luther and the Lion have over Sarosh was one of the parts of Descent of Angels that stuck with me the most. Not necessarily because of the quality of the scene, per se, but because it's a pivotal moment in the Chapter's history. CHAPTER 22 ... The Lion turned at the sound of his brother’s voice and his eyes narrowed as he took in the wounded state of Zahariel and Luther. He said nothing of their condition, clearly filing it away to ask about later. ... A conference was held in the Invincible Reason’s staterooms, the senior members of the Dark Angels gathering to hear the words of Mistress Argenta. The Lion and Luther spoke in a huddled corner, their words unheard by anyone, though the intensity of their conversation was plain for all to see. ... The Lion turned away from Luther abruptly, his face a mask of unreadable emotion as he took his seat at the head of the table. Luther took his seat at the table too, and Zahariel could read his features much more easily. Their second-in-command's expression was one of despair and anguish. Excerpt From: Mitchel Scanlon. “Descent of Angels.” iBooks. Personally, I thought it was pretty obvious that the Lion found out about Luther's near-betrayal during that intense conversation they had. The only leap of logic I felt I had to make was about why Luther would reveal to the Lion what he almost did. Even that, however, can be easily guessed at: Luther, by his own admission to Zahariel, ordered everyone on the embarkation deck the Saroshi shuttle/atomic bomb was on to leave without raising an alarm or otherwise telling them what was going on. He then made to leave before changing his mind. He had to have known that, if he didn't confess to the Lion, it was only a matter of time before someone brought up the matter of Luther's suspicious behavior. However, the way the Lion is written, I would strongly suggest that his personality is such that *if* he had an ounce of distrust in one of his men then 1) he would confront him, face to face. And 2) he would not entrust the grooming of Caliban's finest to anyone he did not trust 100%. Agreed. The way the Lion has been written in the dedicated Dark Angels novels and novella has been illogical, at best. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it reads like author's fiat. That is, the Lion has to make decisions - however inexplicably bone-headed - to maintain a course that leads to civil war on Caliban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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