Wade Garrett Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Except that there's nothing in the Index Astartes, the Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Space Marine, or Blood Angel codexes... Using one sentence from the Chaos Codex to justify, "Oh, Dorn, Guilliman, and all the rest where hit up by Chaos just as hard as, say, Mortarion was, but they simply set their sculpted jawlines in expressions of stoic determination and shook it off"... This isn't building a castle in the air, this is building a continent spanning fortress chain of mighty redoubts, linked by lines of resupply and reinforcement, manned by millions of stout hearted cloud men-at-arms, and stocked with all the necessities of war. In the air. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ironically enough, that is not only possible in 40k, but one was even fought over by the Imperial Fists and Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ironically enough, that is not only possible in 40k, but one was even fought over by the Imperial Fists and Custodes. You have absolutely no idea how much I am shaking my fist at you and cursing your name right now. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lufk8iLsSQ1qfbz1so1_500.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Nameless Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 That exchange gave me the best laugh I've had all week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Angel Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Isn't there a short story where Horus muses that he wishes he had a number of the loyalist primarchs at his side instead of those who joined him? The Khan for Fulgrim or Corrax for Alpharius or something like that? It is - short audiobook called Warmaster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Except that there's nothing in the Index Astartes, the Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Space Marine, or Blood Angel codexes... Using one sentence from the Chaos Codex to justify, "Oh, Dorn, Guilliman, and all the rest where hit up by Chaos just as hard as, say, Mortarion was, but they simply set their sculpted jawlines in expressions of stoic determination and shook it off"... Well, since it amounted to nothing, why would there be more than one sentence about it? "Chaos tested all of the Primarch, half of them failed, here is the story of those that did." That's the Chaos Codex history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Why would chaos only half try at converting the primarchs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Been a while, and I'm not sure I got things mixed up since, but in First Heretic, aren't the Gal Vorbak-to-be shown visions of 10 primarchs' first steps out of their birthing pods, the 9 traitors and the Lion? Whether this refers to which ones were tested or which ones failed is up for debate still, but it's an obvious hint... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3856880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 uh because if it didn't "half try" then there wouldn't be equal goodies vs baddies and there'd be no game for chaos to play. or most people on this board. it's all just silly justification for my 8 legions vs your 8 legions stuff. not that I don't enjoy it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3857333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 uh because if it didn't "half try" then there wouldn't be equal goodies vs baddies and there'd be no game for chaos to play. or most people on this board. it's all just silly justification for my 8 legions vs your 8 legions stuff. not that I don't enjoy it. I think you are giving too much credit to beings who have little direct influence outside of the Empyrean and need to pass themselves as gods in order to survive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3857434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't think you're giving enough credit. Gods are humanity's description of them because humanity in the 40k verse can't come up with a better term. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3857473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 uh because if it didn't "half try" then there wouldn't be equal goodies vs baddies and there'd be no game for chaos to play. or most people on this board. it's all just silly justification for my 8 legions vs your 8 legions stuff. not that I don't enjoy it. I think you are giving too much credit to beings who have little direct influence outside of the Empyrean and need to pass themselves as gods in order to survive. i was actually giving credit to the original writers of the horus heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3857474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 uh because if it didn't "half try" then there wouldn't be equal goodies vs baddies and there'd be no game for chaos to play. or most people on this board. it's all just silly justification for my 8 legions vs your 8 legions stuff. not that I don't enjoy it. I think you are giving too much credit to beings who have little direct influence outside of the Empyrean and need to pass themselves as gods in order to survive. i was actually giving credit to the original writers of the horus heresy. Ah, your statement seemed to imply that they did indeed have the power to corrupt them all, and that they had half tried in the case of the loyalist primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3857505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Been a while, and I'm not sure I got things mixed up since, but in First Heretic, aren't the Gal Vorbak-to-be shown visions of 10 primarchs' first steps out of their birthing pods, the 9 traitors and the Lion? Whether this refers to which ones were tested or which ones failed is up for debate still, but it's an obvious hint... imo the lion failed, at least he uses a nurgle daemon for faster warp travelling (see "the lion") .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3857615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Ah, your statement seemed to imply that they did indeed have the power to corrupt them all, and that they had half tried in the case of the loyalist primarchs. yeah I was, as a (good natured) way to snark at the concept. easily misunderstood Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3858067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Been a while, and I'm not sure I got things mixed up since, but in First Heretic, aren't the Gal Vorbak-to-be shown visions of 10 primarchs' first steps out of their birthing pods, the 9 traitors and the Lion? Whether this refers to which ones were tested or which ones failed is up for debate still, but it's an obvious hint... imo the lion failed, at least he uses a nurgle daemon for faster warp travelling (see "the lion") .... I (and many others I believe) choose to ignore that entire story. Awful in every respect. That being one of the largest problems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298675-if-not-horus-then-who/page/4/#findComment-3858100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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