Prot Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Don't know if you guys saw this yet..... Yes apparently for us Dark Angels there is a Dark Vengeance Expansion set @ $136 approx. No UK or Euro costs as yet. It is to include a Ravenwing Command Squad, 5 Deathwing Knights and a Dark Talon.Supposedly released this week !!From here: http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/dark-vengeance-expansion-kits-this-week.html Could all be lies of course ... Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 If it means more CSM models that look like the DV Chosen, well, a 40k Chaos Space Marine project may be in my future. If not...I can wait :\ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3852918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Sorry but if that's an expansion then I'm sold... Who am I kidding. Those just look like bundles aimed at Christmas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3852922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The only rumored DV models are the cultists. So yeah, "Christmas expansion" seems to be the mindset here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3852929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Unless they are new, cool models I think I'll pass..contents seems a little underwhelming, though it does look like a reduced price then buying the models separately at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Still passing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/received102039bifs4d81qu.jpg Dark Angels one is tempting, but I don't want that flyer -.- The Termies would probably end up as Word Bearers lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucio Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I'm still pretty new to this but the GW sets don't really work from the point of view of building an army. Really what you need is 2 solid troop choices, and then either an Elite, Fast Attack or Heavy Support option. Even taking into account model conversions from Dark Vengence I'd be hard pressed to use much more than the Land Raider from this set as 5 Raptors is all but useless, 5 Cultists is a fiver's worth and Terminators are nice but not a great Elite choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Well if the rumors about the price is true, you are essentially getting the raptors for free however there's no new sculpts, and I already have enough raptors and terminators. Good deal though for someone starting out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Drake Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Nids get 3 new Drop Pod variants and a bunch of new MCs. We get a box with 5 cultists, 5 raptors, 5 terminators and a land raider. Excuse me while I feel pretty damn upset about this. A plastic drop pod/dreadclaw variant for Chaos would sell well at xmas time and give us something to liven up a pretty sad codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 We just got IA13, I'm not feeling like CSM are getting side lined these days. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 5 raptors, with combi-melta & lightning claw champ, 2 melta guns and the mark of khorne, with VotLW make astartes cry I always bring them when I'm playing the imperial scum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 The only thing that draws me to the CS box set: 1. A GW discount! Since when? I dunno, but I'll take it. 2. I could use another Landraider for my CS. 3. Raptor models make me tingle in funny places. 5 raptors, with combi-melta & lightning claw champ, 2 melta guns and the mark of khorne, with VotLW make astartes cry I always bring them when I'm playing the imperial scum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 5 raptors, with combi-melta & lightning claw champ, 2 melta guns and the mark of khorne, with VotLW make astartes cry I always bring them when I'm playing the imperial scum I don't tailor lists, and while that's not a bad option their FA slot is in competition with the drake, spawn, bikers and the hellblade..pretty much all better choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 I keep saying to anyone who will listen around me... if... IF GW actually put out a stand alone box with 5 resculpt Chaos Marines, with a Drop Pod.... including rules, they would sell a TON of these units. I keep waiting to see it... I was just listening to the Ascension of Balthasar and got to the point where Krannon drop pods his army down.... and all I do is grind my teeth and murmur.... It just seems like such an easy, no brainer to do. Everyone wins. I'll take this though.... for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'd be very surprised if that happens anytime soon, GW doesn't exactly take a lot of ideas from their customers.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 We just got IA13, I'm not feeling like CSM are getting side lined these days. Not everyone is as positive about 13 or FW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Disciple Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Seriously, every time I see something like this it really gets my hopes up for a DV style chosen kit or something. Have to agree with Prot though, a bio-daemon-mechanical Dreadclaw style drop pod would be awesome. Here's hoping for a Chaos splash release early 2015! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 We just got IA13, I'm not feeling like CSM are getting side lined these days. Not everyone is as positive about 13 or FW. Well... Some people are always party poopers when it comes to FW. IA13 wasn't all that it could be, but it gives us some new stuff. I'm happy about the renegades list, it opens a lot of options for chaos. It isn't anything amazing, or new, but it does give some choice and flavor, while fixing a few problems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 We just got IA13, I'm not feeling like CSM are getting side lined these days. Well it is FW, there are places in the world where you can't use FW. making the IA13 a very painful thing to see[as everything that is in it will for a long time miss from any chaos codex]. Well... Some people are always party poopers when it comes to FW. IA13 wasn't all that it could be, but it gives us some new stuff. I'm happy about the renegades list, it opens a lot of options for chaos. It isn't anything amazing, or new, but it does give some choice and flavor, while fixing a few problems. Why its is not core, and playing without FW is the same as playing without unbound or the house ruled MS objectives[which I think]. As the box goes 1 bad unit, 1 bad vehicles , 1 illegal unit and terminators which are kind of a meh. Not a very good buy specialy for someone that is starting. Even a second DV box would be a better expansion for a noob , and that says something about the new box. The DA one isn't much better. The bikers are nice. But the flyer and terminators are bad. Both as a DV expansion or stand alone buy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'm still pretty new to this but the GW sets don't really work from the point of view of building an army. Really what you need is 2 solid troop choices, and then either an Elite, Fast Attack or Heavy Support option. So you have: -Krannon (HQ) -25 Cultists (2 cheap troops) -5x Chosen (elite) -Hellbrute (elite) -Terminators (another elite possible LR transport) -Raptors (fast) So yes, not the greatest but legal. And also legal for unbound armies. These gift bundles are rarely the greatest selections but I wouldn't start the calls for pitch forks as they're not really aimed at people who have been gaming for a while who know what they really want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I'm still pretty new to this but the GW sets don't really work from the point of view of building an army. Really what you need is 2 solid troop choices, and then either an Elite, Fast Attack or Heavy Support option. So you have: -Krannon (HQ) -25 Cultists (2 cheap troops) -5x Chosen (elite) -Hellbrute (elite) -Terminators (another elite possible LR transport) -Raptors (fast) So yes, not the greatest but legal. And also legal for unbound armies. These gift bundles are rarely the greatest selections but I wouldn't start the calls for pitch forks as they're not really aimed at people who have been gaming for a while who know what they really want. Here Timmy buy this for your CSM army because its NEW and SHINY!!! I love GW's cop out ideas, sure its an easy purchase for the family types, especially if its two brothers, get DV as a joint gift then aunty and uncle get the expansion boxes, I enjoyed talkin to customers when I was a GW staffer and actually helping them choose things, manager got arsey because I spent nearly 45 mins talkin Chaos with one guy, told me I should have just pointed him towards the new stuff and told him how amazing it was... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 We just got IA13, I'm not feeling like CSM are getting side lined these days. Not everyone is as positive about 13 or FW. Well frankly they should be, it's a wide variety of new chaos options and you can't argue that some of them are rather good (the fire raptor comes to mind). We just got IA13, I'm not feeling like CSM are getting side lined these days. Well it is FW, there are places in the world where you can't use FW. making the IA13 a very painful thing to see[as everything that is in it will for a long time miss from any chaos codex]. Fair enough, price is definitely an obstacle when it comes to FW, I myself don't even own any FW models yet plus some gaming communities don't allow it-even if it's completely within the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3853966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Unfortunately the price of the book, comparative costs and uses to loyalist equivalents, and not potentially caring about LATD drags its heels and shows you can also live without anything the book offers. Pretty pictures and paragraphs about armies are always nice though. The fault mainly lies in trying to polish the Chaos turd. Or to compare it as an expansion pack to a crappy game like Resident Evil 5/6. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3854968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Provisional disagreement. As an army, it's targeted at people just starting out. It's not good. It's not a bad start to a core if you intend to build a large collection, but it's not good. However, considered as a pair, it does address the existing imbalance a bit. Existing DV is biased toward the DA player. The expansions are better for the Chaos player given that- Termies to address the DA termies, the DA termies can DS with the Ravenwing but the Chaos ones get a ride, raptors to counter-balance (a bit) the speed of the DA bikes. It's not perfect, but those three sets in a vacuum are a little more balanced than DV alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298858-expansion-box-for-cs-and-da/#findComment-3855120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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