Gentlemanloser Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 We did it in the last editions; http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240471-the-worst-lists-of-all-time/ http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282934-battle-of-the-worst-lists/ http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/228436-the-worst-army-you-can-build/?hl=servitor But things have changed. What's the absolute worst we can make now in 7th? Brotherhood Champion and Strikes? (GK only, no allies!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Any points requirement? Do we need to fill any/all slots in an NSF? Otherwise you're right, the worst list is probably one plain BC and one 5-man vanilla strike squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 Whatever points limit you'd like. 1,500? Edit: It's more difficult this time, as we're missing the trap of Mindlock and Dual Storm Shield Accolytes. While our units aren't 'good', they don't as first glance have any of the sort of liabilities that made the super worst armies of the past (1,600 points of Daemon you were unable to deploy for example). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Staves. Staves as far as the eye can see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 Plus the Apothecaries can't Holcaust now. But you can't take a single Paladin with Apothcary and Banner. Edit: It's more difficult now. Maybe Purgation Squads with 4 Psilencers. Anything we've got will still make mincemeat from the other two worst lists; C:I with dual SS Accolytes, Mystics and single Servitors. SW with dual SS Wolfguard. Made more accessible with the Champions of Fenris detachment. Edit: Just checked. While you can't get WGT with 2 SS anymore (/sob), PA Wolfguard can still swap both thier Bolt Pistol and Chainsword for a Stormshield each. Wolfguard with 2 Storm Shields is 48 points. They still have 'nades though. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 HQ: BC (150) Troops: 2x5-man strikes, no options (110 each) Elites: 4xdreads with extra armor (135 each) FA: 2 razors, extra armor and dozer blades (70 each) Heavy: 2x10-man purgators, no special weapons, teleport homers (220 each) That's 1490. Could probably do worse with staves for everyone or using multiple detachments. Edit: Maybe a Techmarine would be worse than the second SS... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 Litmus test. Can you make an army worse than; Detachment: Company of the Great Wolf HQ: Wolflord, Stormshield, Stormshield (135) Elite: Wolfguard x10, Stormshield x10, Stormshield x10 (480) Elite: Wolfguard x10, Stormshield x10, Stormshield x10 (480) Elite: Wolfguard x8, Stormshield x8, Stormshield x8 (384) Total: 1,479 29 Marines, only weapons are frag and krak grenades. (WS5 though) Edit: Razors!!! Awesome! If only you could makie an army of 70 point Rhinos. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Depends if you subscribe to the Techmarine as your only HQ theory... Now, where that can of worms smiley gone? ... ... ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 lolz!!! ;) Not going there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The worst list you can make: an illegal one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ok, I think I made it worse: Hq: Brother-captain,warding stave, teleport homer, (185) Techmarine, warding stave, teleport homer, bone shard (115) Troops: 5xstrikes, staves for everyone, teleport homer for justicar, razor w/ extra armor, dozer (215 pts) Elites: 3xdreads, extra armor (135 each) FA: 2xRazors, extra armor, dozer (70 each) Heavy: 6xpurgator, staves, teleport homer, razor, extra armor, dozer (240) Same but 5xpurgator (215) 1495 total. Would master crafted staves for justicars be a worse waste of 40 points than the extra purgator and the bone shard? One to ponder... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raverrn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 You guys are missing the gloriousness of the venerable HB/AC dread. Just 175 points with extra armor. Think of the withering firepower against Fire Warriors! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Well, feel free to tweak my list further, I'm sure it can be made even worse. If you bring two of the dreads to 175 and make as many staves as possible master crafted, we could get rid of another dread. Could the razors be made more expensive without accidentally making them useful? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ok, new revision. I decided brother-captains were too useful with deep strike and all. Assume all models able to have warding staves, extra armor, dozer, mc melee weapon, teleport homers and digital weapons where able. HQ: 2xBrotherhood Champion (150 each) 2xtechmarine (125 each) Troop: 5xstrikes, rhino (215) Elite: Venerable Dread (160) FA: 2xrazor (70 each) Heavy: 2x5-man purgator, rhino (215 each) 1495 points of useless crap. Enjoy! Edit: decided 36" tlac on the dread was way too useful, and made another rhino into a razor instead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I just had a thought. You could take expensive fortifications with no upgrades to chew up even more points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 That's technically possible, but this feels more like a codex-only exercise, and there are none in the codex itself after all :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 Totally! Instead of no Allies, I should have said C:GK only. Can we squeeze more rubbish into the lists by getting in more Extra Armour / Dozerblade Rhinos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 We could go CAD or add another NSF, but that would mean more strikes, and they're godlike compared to the other stuff on the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Wait guys, you're ignoring some pretty solid ways to make the list blow out in points and be terrible; 1500 Narrative-Forged Goodness, using double Nemesis Strikeforce; HQ: Crowe (185 points) (3) Brotherhood Champion (150 points) (4) Tech-Marine (90 points each) Troops: (2) Justicar, 4x Strikes, Razorback w/twin-heavy flamer, dozer blade, extra armour (180 points each) Fast Attack: Razorback w/twin-heavy flamer, storm bolter, dozer blade, extra armour (75 points) Razorback w/twin-heavy flamer, dozer blade, extra armour (70 points) 1.5k on the dot Beat that I'll explain why this is the worst list possible; - Firstly, only two units in the entire army can Deepstrike. These are units of 5x PA dudes, and they already bought dedicated transports. Maximum anti-synergy between unit and upgrades (plus they're just naked with swords). Also maximum anti-synergy with the Nemesis Strikeforce bonuses. - Secondly, just shy of 1000pts in HQ alone. None of them can Deepstrike, and four of them are melee challenge heroes that do not support the army at all. Honourable mention for Crowe, as he has 'Cleansing Flame'. - The army generates the lowest amount of WC possible. 6 is the absolute lowest you can manage without derping with Terminators armed with staves (who are still actually scary and tough, unlike Strikes). You can almost never cast 'Cleansing Flame', and you'll rarely get more than a few 'Hammerhands' or 'Force' off reliably. - Only four pieces of AV11 armour for the Tech-Marines to repair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Needs more mc staves and teleport homers ;) Edit: ok new worst double NSF: 4xBrotherhood Champion (150 each) 4xTechmarine w/ mc staves, digital weapons and teleport homers (125 each) 2x5-man strikes w/staves, homer on justicar, Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer (195 each) 1490 points, make one justicar stave mc for the last 10 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Stay tuned for more updates from the Narrative Forged Cubby House! Whose seal list will reign supreme? Who will be crowned, the Iron Noob? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 HAS SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR??1!1? HQ: Crowe, AKA Pimp Daddy (185 points) (3) Brotherhood Champion, aka the Brothers Swag (150 points) (4) Tech-Marine, aka Sound Technicians (90 points each) Troops: (2) Justicar w/master-crafted stave, teleport homer, meltabombs, 4x Strikes w/staves, Razorback w/twin-heavy flamer, aka Roadies (215 points each) Fast Attack: Razorback w/twin-heavy flamer, dozer blade, storm bolter, extra armour, aka Pimpmobile (75 points) 1500 on the dot, homie Two Sound Techs ride with the Roadies in their Razorswags The band and remaining two Sound Techs ride in the Pimpmobile Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zembar Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Only way I can see the list being played is to squash the HQs into the rhinos with the strikes, go flat-out across the board, and pray to the dice gods. My guess is that they won't be listening. Edit: I think mine is worse still, razors could be useful! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Come on man. I'm actively invoking the God of Trolling by playing a list like that competitively. He'd give me 6's on every roll (including Psychic Tests and Perils) just for the lulz Oh also, due to them being Razorbacks, they only have room for one IC in the Strike transports. The rest of the IC's have to chill in the Pimpmobile aka Mobile Deathtrap. My only hope is my opponent is laughing/crying so hard he flub his dice rolls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 I still think it's got a shot of taking out the 28 Dual Storm Shield Wolfguard! Although those three Razors would get Krak'd. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298862-7th-edition-the-worst-list-you-can-make/#findComment-3853836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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