Jostal Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 In a battle forged army can i have more than 1 allied detachment? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yes, you can have as many detachment as you like (and points permit). You can even have multiple allied detachments of the same faction. The allied faction only needs to be different from the primary faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3855894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3855895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostal Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 So i could do a Primary detachment of space marines and have an imperial guard allied Detachment, Inquisition allied detachment AND Grey Knight Allied Detachment? Another Question. In the current force org setups can you take a lord of war choice from any codex? Like Kaldor Draigo, can he be taken as a Lord of War Choice with a space marine army? Or maybe Logan? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3855911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yup. You could also have combined arms detachments of each of those factions or any special detachments the codices or supplements might have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3855936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 So i could do a Primary detachment of space marines and have an imperial guard allied Detachment, Inquisition allied detachment AND Grey Knight Allied Detachment? Yes. Codex Marines are also fun in that you can actually have Codex Marines allied to it, too, they just have to be using a different Tactics from the Primary. Also keep in mind, you aren't limited to Allied Detachments for any non-Primary Detachment, either. Another Question. In the current force org setups can you take a lord of war choice from any codex? Like Kaldor Draigo, can he be taken as a Lord of War Choice with a space marine army? Or maybe Logan? Lords of War must be an option for that codex. So no Baneblades for Ultramarines, just Imperial Guard. Logan Grimnar can only be in a Space Wolves Detachment that has a Lord of War slot (or Unbound), and not in a Blood Angels or Raven Guard Detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3855956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostal Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Cool, thanks for your help guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3856020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEric Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 On that note, can a battleforged army only use allies following the allied detachment force org chart or can I also with just a formation, as they count their own force org chart? For example; can I run my main detachment from grey knights using the combined arms detachment and an allied stormwing formation and still count as battleforged? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yes Formations are detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEric Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I might be asking something obvious here but I haven't completely understood formations yet; I can actually build an army consisting of only formations (and no actual detachments like combined arms) and still count as battleforged? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 On that note, can a battleforged army only use allies following the allied detachment force org chart or can I also with just a formation, as they count their own force org chart? For example; can I run my main detachment from grey knights using the combined arms detachment and an allied stormwing formation and still count as battleforged? Yes. Formations are Detachments, too. Battle-Forged simply means that your army is organized in to defined detachments, instead of the free-form of Unbound. If you had a Grey Knight Storm Raven and two Storm Talons, but no other C:SM units, it would be Unbound. Putting them together and switching the Raven to Codex, allows you to declare them as part of the Formation Detachment, and so Battle-Forged, paint not-withstanding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEric Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 On that note, can a battleforged army only use allies following the allied detachment force org chart or can I also with just a formation, as they count their own force org chart? For example; can I run my main detachment from grey knights using the combined arms detachment and an allied stormwing formation and still count as battleforged? Yes. Formations are Detachments, too. Battle-Forged simply means that your army is organized in to defined detachments, instead of the free-form of Unbound.If you had a Grey Knight Storm Raven and two Storm Talons, but no other C:SM units, it would be Unbound. Putting them together and switching the Raven to Codex, allows you to declare them as part of the Formation Detachment, and so Battle-Forged, paint not-withstanding. Cool and thanks for the very clear explanation! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If you had a Grey Knight Storm Raven and two Storm Talons, but no other C:SM units, it would be Unbound. Putting them together and switching the Raven to Codex, allows you to declare them as part of the Formation Detachment, and so Battle-Forged, paint not-withstanding.Actually, since the GK Stormraven is identical to the SM Stormraven, you could take a Stormraven and two Stormtalons in the Skyhammer Formation painted up as Grey Knights. Looks great, give your GK some Talons, and since the Formation never benefits from Chapter Tactics, it really doesn't matter which chapter they are "representing". SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If you had a Grey Knight Storm Raven and two Storm Talons, but no other C:SM units, it would be Unbound. Putting them together and switching the Raven to Codex, allows you to declare them as part of the Formation Detachment, and so Battle-Forged, paint not-withstanding.Actually, since the GK Stormraven is identical to the SM Stormraven, you could take a Stormraven and two Stormtalons in the Skyhammer Formation painted up as Grey Knights. Looks great, give your GK some Talons, and since the Formation never benefits from Chapter Tactics, it really doesn't matter which chapter they are "representing". SJ That's why I said "paint not-withstanding". The Raven must operate according to the C:SM Rules, and not the Grey Knights, in order to be in the Stormwing Formation. The difference isn't much NOW, but it used to be and may again in the future, so be aware. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You can't take the Inquisition as an 'Allied' Detachment, but as an Inquisitorial Detachment. But you can take as many of those as you'd like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You can't take the Inquisition as an 'Allied' Detachment, but as an Inquisitorial Detachment. But you can take as many of those as you'd like. You can't take an Allied Detachment of the Inquisition, Assassins, or Imperial Knights because of their lack of Troops or HQs, but they can be an allied detachment of certain names. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Lowercase a or Capital A. A lot of difference! ;) (As a community, we should probably try to move away from calling other Factions 'Allies'!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Lowercase a or Capital A. A lot of difference! Indeed it is, when written. Hard to hear it when spoken, though... (As a community, we should probably try to move away from calling other Factions 'Allies'!) Perhaps. Part of it is recognizing the Primary Detachment as the "Main" Detachment. Something brought on by 6th Edition. That leaves every other Detachment as an "allied" (though not Allied) detachment. The game rules even recognize each detachment is considered an allied detachment. They really need a better name for Allied Detachment, like Light Detachment or something else, especially because of the above paragraph. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3864833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaanesh-Devotee Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Rename Allied Detachment to Secondary Detachments. Refer to all your various Detachments as 'allies' due to their factions.So, take a Primary CAD (perhaps more!), as many Secondaries as you like, plus other types (Inquisition, Assassin, Formation, etc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/298970-battleforged-armies-and-force-organizations/#findComment-3868709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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