GhostMalone Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 So guys I'm wanting to do my WE as loyalists but don't want the typical tacky they're still war hounds at heart. My idea is to have them as pre cursor minotaurs, but to do this I was thinking with book 4 now ordered I would go the route of the renegade no traitor but still loyal. With a praetor a champion and chaplain, I'm thinking 100 marines that took part at istvaan but we're then used as fodder for the SoH and felt betrayed, then stranded in system (not sure where maybe near ryza) and found by a fleet of loyal Solar auxilia and mech on route to imperium secondus. This will tie into the shadows of korriana forge thread but still allow me to play the part of either traitor or loyalist Ie; ultras fire upon them so they side with the NL but turn on the NL fir decimating civilian populations this could also help with keeping my creativity up and still adding some more dark elements like red butchers but still keep with the minotaur fluff. Also allows for some bull logos hidden in my army. So I call upon the 1000heathens demon2027 Flint13 marshal crusader noctuscornix depth charge 12 slipstream brotherchaplainkage kolsaresk and everyone else help me make this a real not over douchified background Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Well, for paint scheme, its quite easy. Bronze/Brass. 40k Minotaurs are Bronze and Veteran World Eaters used Bronze/Brass to denote Veterancy. Make them all Terrans to be purged and BOOM. Link done. I think.... You could name them the Stampeeders (weird for me since its an alias of mine that I used before Slips). Go kinda-subtle greek influence, like they enjoy training in mazes since it focuses on reactionary actions when suddenly faced with a threat, which may explain why, when fired upon by Ultras, they just react and join the NL. Then once they find out how depraved they are once immediate danger has passed, turn on them. Red Butchers could, really, be called the Minotaurs if you wanted to. Raging Beasts to be caged and locked up only to be released when the situation is most dire. If not, they are to be kept hidden from prying eyes. S'all I've got for now bro-cat Jasp-man!...this sounded better in my head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 why do they have to be anything different? They wanted to be free, free from Angron and the Legion they hate, and the Imperium as it is becoming. The only people they could trust is each other. So they went their own way slipping away during or after Istivan III? Later calling themselves and becoming something else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 A reasonable premise for loyalist world eaters is an echelon (if you want big numbers) or a company stationed on a recruiting world (80ish) to choose from. When they find out about the heresy they are hesitant to pick sides (don't know if Angron ordered it or miscommunication) so they decide to move out and roam until the situation clears itself up. They eventually discover Angron was complicit in the rebellion and join the fight on the loyalist side, but the butchers nails makes their actions as brutal as the traitors and they struggle with that on a philosophical level. Like does it matter what side their on if the results of their loyalty to the emperor are the same as the traitors with Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Unlike with the Carcharodons, it isn't confirmed from where the Minotaurs gene-seed came ..... and for me, the Iron Warriors seems more plausible as Gene-fathers for the FW incarnation of the Minotaurs (IW and Minotaurs both have greek influances, both were brutal, Fw introduced an loyal Iron Warriors Warsmith who survived Paramar, etc) then the World Eaters On Topic: A Rouge Traider force with old War Hounds colours would be cool http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/preheresywarh8t64zs5rha.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Unlike with the Carcharodons, it isn't confirmed from where the Minotaurs gene-seed came ..... and for me, the Iron Warriors seems more plausible as Gene-fathers for the FW incarnation of the Minotaurs (IW and Minotaurs both have greek influances, both were brutal, Fw introduced an loyal Iron Warriors Warsmith who survived Paramar, etc) then the World Eaters On Topic: A Rouge Traider force with old War Hounds colours would be cool http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/preheresywarh8t64zs5rha.jpg On top of that: they both have rules negating shooting casualties upon their leadership checks. Originally, I was thinking Minatours were loyalist World Eaters... now I'm leaning a little bit towards the Iron Warriors. (Fight as a single body, heedless of casualties, propensity for heavy firepower) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 If only we had ONE character with a bit too much bronze on his armor named Theseus or something to that effect... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Here would be my suggestion for loyalist World Eaters. After reading the book about the shadow crusade... We know that the world eaters legion brutalized themselves out of a desire to be closer to their primarch. But I also got the impression that their Primarch does not care how much his sons have sacrificed to be closer to him. Perhaps you could play that angle. A band of world eaters who feel that they have sacrificed to much for their primarch and now rejects him. They hate what they have become and hate that they did it all for the approval of a father who cares more for a band of dead slaves over rather than leading and mentoring his own gene sons. Let that anger fester and you might be able to come up with your own band of loyalist World Eaters that are definately no longer war hounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 If you want to stay with the Greek theme, I'd highly recommend calling them the "Cerberus Hounds". Cerberus was the three headed dog that guarded the passage into Hades (Hell) via the River Styx. These three leaders could represent a head of the hound and possibly protect the Cadian gate prior to the colonization of Cadia. Their emblem would also be easy as you could just take the War Hounds symbol and add two more heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Well I love the idea of utilizing the training in labyrinths so that's added, im just not sure on the "we were betrayed by angron" or "this can't be happening". I'm wanting the war masters actions to be the catalyst for them going renegade. Also want to show the WE as healing slowly from there broken forms to be a precursor minotaur force. Want to show that the war hounds are truly dead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 If you want to stay with the Greek theme, I'd highly recommend calling them the "Cerberus Hounds". Cerberus was the three headed dog that guarded the passage into Hades (Hell) via the River Styx. These three leaders could represent a head of the hound and possibly protect the Cadian gate prior to the colonization of Cadia. Their emblem would also be easy as you could just take the War Hounds symbol and add two more heads. This is a winner Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 If you were to go along my idea, I'd name their battle barge the Persephone (the unwitting bride of Hades). The Minotaurs borrow heavily from Crete mythology (and technically Hellenic). Greeks also didn't see Hades as evil though, despite his harshness, he was more of a balancing force. So that could play into your WEs fluff as pre Minotaurs. The Minos are sort of the amoral force of the Imperium and go where evil is to fight it, but also to fight "good" forces that beget retribution. Just a an idea Edit: I'd also recommend keeping their War Hounds livery, but replacing the white with bronze. White (in Judeo-Christian themes) represents innocence, but replacing that with bronze - war - would represent them trading their innocence with the calming clarity of war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 Well so far set in stone is: Training in labyrinths for ZM specialty The command structure will be referred to Cerberus The flag ship of the WE is the persephone The flag ship of the SA is the Ellyrius I'm thinking of keeping the WE scheme but as the heresy continues into the scouring then I'll add some new livery. My main nit pick is the reason they go rogue, I want them to have partaken in the massacre but not betrayed by the XIITH legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Well, when they saw how their "allies" acted during the Massacre and Afterwards, they grew disillusioned that these would be liberators of mankind were truly fighting to free them (and humanity) from the Emperors Rule. Thus, when presented with the opportunity, they went off on their own way, to fight their own battles, on their own term, beholden to none. For their Livery, you could do various stages of veterancy. The newer the Astartes to the Company/Chapter, the more Blue/White his armor is. The higher up the echelon he goes, the more bronze/brass. That would mean that the Chapter Master / Preator is full bronze (and could have a Dog Head Helm and 2 Sculpted/Molded Dog Head Shoulders for that Cerberus effect). The Veteran Sarges would be the "Minotaurs" ie; they are bll-headed warriors that charge into the fray headlong. And have a Sculpted Bull head on the Breastplates, scheme being primarily brass/bronze with Blue accents. Veterans would be Blue/White with a Bronze/Brass Sculpted Chestpiece (as above for Sarges) and Trim. Normal Brothers would be Blue/White with Brass/Bronze Trim/Helms and 3 Headed Dog Heraldry. ...Though having sculpted Chespieces for ALL your Veterans may make it tedious..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299112-doing-loyalist-world-eaters-right/#findComment-3859997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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