phoenix lords vs primarchs

[Marshal Rohr]

Victory has defeated you, Mr. Asurman.

[Hyaenidae]

This thread reeks of Xenos. Keep the focus on Humanity, and how it's champions can/have killed Eldar, or this thread will be shut down.

 

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[Brother Heinrich]

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[librisrouge]

Yeah, the problem with PL versus Primarch is that all of the Primarchs are fundamentally tough as nails. It is doubtful that a PL could kill one in one go and if they're in melee reach...so is the Primarch. It is kinda a "the first one's free" type situation. That PL will probably be more skilled and faster, might even get the jump on the Primarch, but it would need to take full advantage of that because, should they not, any of the Primarchs will then turn around, grap hold, and start mauling the fool to death.

 

Of course, even that isn't accurate since the PLs in 30k are far less experiences and powerful than the PLs in 40k. In 30k, Primarchs would destroy them.

[Memento Of Prospero]

I highly doubt that 10,000 years means little to the Eldae in the grand scheme of things...

[librisrouge]

It does when the Phoenix Lords have only existed for about 10k years. The Fall of the Eldar is what kicked off the Great Crusade (or at least caused the warp storms to quiet so the Emperor could leave Terra.) This means that all in told the Phoenix Lords have their initial initiates experience plus the 10,000 years of near constant fighting and/or training they can claim (+/- subjective time in the webway.)

 

During the Heresy they couldn't claim such vast amounts of butt kicking experience. Gives the Primarchs an edge they might not have in 40k.

[depthcharge12]

Aren't most of the primarchs preprogrammed with fighting techniques and such (even though most went on to learn additional training)?

[Raktra]

Angron definitely did, he murdered a clutch of Eldar when he was thirty seconds old didn't he?

[depthcharge12]

Angron definitely did, he murdered a clutch of Eldar when he was thirty seconds old didn't he?

Chyup.

 

The Lion survived out in the woods and Curze knew how to go Assassins Creed style.

[Memento Of Prospero]

It does when the Phoenix Lords have only existed for about 10k years. The Fall of the Eldar is what kicked off the Great Crusade (or at least caused the warp storms to quiet so the Emperor could leave Terra.) This means that all in told the Phoenix Lords have their initial initiates experience plus the 10,000 years of near constant fighting and/or training they can claim (+/- subjective time in the webway.)

 

During the Heresy they couldn't claim such vast amounts of butt kicking experience. Gives the Primarchs an edge they might not have in 40k.

 

This is a recent Retcon though.

[Kol Saresk]

 

Angron definitely did, he murdered a clutch of Eldar when he was thirty seconds old didn't he?

Chyup.

 

The Lion survived out in the woods and Curze knew how to go Assassins Creed style.

Dishonored. Assassin's Creed is too bleh.

[Leonaides]

 

It does when the Phoenix Lords have only existed for about 10k years. The Fall of the Eldar is what kicked off the Great Crusade (or at least caused the warp storms to quiet so the Emperor could leave Terra.) This means that all in told the Phoenix Lords have their initial initiates experience plus the 10,000 years of near constant fighting and/or training they can claim (+/- subjective time in the webway.)

 

During the Heresy they couldn't claim such vast amounts of butt kicking experience. Gives the Primarchs an edge they might not have in 40k.

 

This is a recent Retcon though.

 

Which bit? The Great Crusade beginning when the Birth of Slanesh calmed the warp has been in the background since at least the start of 2nd edition... So yes, the Eldar race had only just 'fallen' when humanity was expanding - timetravelling notwithstanding of course, as some of the webway tunnels appear to allow travel backwards through time if i recall my Jac Draco correctly.

[Conn Eremon]

 

I believe during the heresy there was a super war boss that the Emperor and Horus had to team up to beat it, if I'm remembering right.

 

Pheonix lords are more on par with custodes from what I've seen. However, unlike primarchs, they can't die...technically.

Two. One Ullanor and one before that. Of course they weren't just fighting on even footing with the Primarchs, but like all Orcs, their physical strength is proportional to their size. The one in Wolf of Ash and Fire was so large that the Emperor had to bend reality just to remove it from existence, an act that greatly weakened him.

The bending of reality was the plasma core of Gorro, not the Ork.

 

What he did to the Ork was essentially foreshadowing the event with Horus, obliterate his soul. But it is depicted as severe overkill, the deathblow by evisceration already delivered.

 

Edit: The fall of the Eldar is the beginning of the Long Night, or Old Night, or whatever. The Birth of Slaanesh is what ended it, and that is what sparked the Great Crusade.

 

So tack on another few thousand years.

[Leif Bearclaw]

Eh? I thought the birth of Slaanesh was the fall of the Eldar. As, you know, that's what destroyed their empire.

[Raktra]

That was more the climax of a few thousand years of build-up.

[librisrouge]

Eh? I thought the birth of Slaanesh was the fall of the Eldar. As, you know, that's what destroyed their empire.

It was but the explosion also blew out the warp storms that had isolated the various parts of mankind from each other.

[Conn Eremon]

Eh? I thought the birth of Slaanesh was the fall of the Eldar. As, you know, that's what destroyed their empire.

What Raktra said. You can think of it as the incubation period. The fall of the Eldar is the first moment of what is known as the Long Night, and the actual birth of Slaanesh is what blows it all away, revealing the galaxy once more. The two events are the same, but separated by however many thousands of years the Long Night lasted.

[Karthak]

 

This thread reeks of Xenos. Keep the focus on Humanity, and how it's champions can/have killed Eldar, or this thread will be shut down.

 

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Hang on, we're actually not allowed to talk about non-human factions on this forum?

[Hyaenidae]

Rules of the B&C: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/22-rules-of-the-bc/

 

Short answer, no, barring the few exceptions listed.

 

Long answer: Nooooooooooo.

[Raktra]

This counts as an exception on the grounds of "lol @ u puny alien", right?

[Slips]

If we keep focused on how badly a primarch would Murderlate them, then I see no problem :p

 

If it suddenly turns into how the dainty space elves could beat one, then let it rain phosphex.

 

 

Now, what I want to see is how Alpharius would convolutedly deal with a Phoenix Lord. 

 

"Hey, aren't you a little tall to be a Phoenix Lord?"

[librisrouge]

It would probably involve some kinda cliff and an anvil (yes, Alpharius is the looney toons character of the Primarchs in my mind.)

 

Of course, Sanguinius has the whole flight advantage over all of the Phoenix Lords except  for the Hawk one. I'd still give him incredible odds versus mister, "My biggest trick is a bunch of flash bangs on my boots and a fancy rifle, derp, derp, derp."

[KBA]

Wait a sec. Not that I'd argue it, but any conclusion or musing other than Primarchs Smash gets this thread closed? What's the point? Shut it down lol.

[Slips]

Well, we could have fun on how "ME PRIMARCH ME SMASH!" Happens...

 

 

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Yeah..

[Raktra]

Ferrus just drowns everyone in volcanoes. Apart from Feugan, he gets facefisted to death.