Fallen11 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I played twice with my centurions, and more or less know how they work. SInce I will be taking them to tournament, and there will be serpents and imperial knights, I just want make sure I got rules right, before tournament. So '6' vs imperial knight only does 1 glancing hit, right? He cant be immobilised there fore, only glancing hit from the rule is applied? Vs serpent shield, what is final rule? It does 1 glancing hit, but they can turn immobilised to another glancing hit on 2+ or can't? Tnx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 You're right on the knight. The serpent shield turns a penetrating hit into a glancing hit, it will have no effect on the grav's immobilised result as it does not result from a penetrating hit but rather the weapons special rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen11 Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 I think I read somewhere that it does work vs immobilised, since immobilized comes from penetration hit table...something to do with some FAQ or rule for haywire, not quitesure what it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I think I read somewhere that it does work vs immobilised, since immobilized comes from penetration hit table...something to do with some FAQ or rule for haywire, not quitesure what it was. Haywire generates a Penetrating Hit, Grav does not. Unless the Wargear/rule specifies it cannot be Immobilized, than a successful Grav Hit can Immobilize it like a failed Dangerous Terrain test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngeal Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Therefore, since it's not a penetrating or glancing hit, can invulnerable saves be taken against it? pg.37, "... in the case of vehicles, suffers a penetrating or glancing hit..." same question for cover saves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Therefore, since it's not a penetrating or glancing hit, can invulnerable saves be taken against it? pg.37, "... in the case of vehicles, suffers a penetrating or glancing hit..." same question for cover saves Cover Saves definitely. That's in "Vehicles & Cover". I seem to remember seeing it for Invulnerable Saves, but seem to have having trouble finding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 As usual for GW though, they've 'fixed' the issue on cover saves by ignoring the disease and treating the symptom. Grav weapons do not inflict glancing or penetrating hits and therefore would not normally be able to take cover or invulnerable saves. Instead of altering the Graviton rule to match the general rules though, GW simply tell us "Oh yeah, that includes hits from grav weapons". Anyhoo, the relevant rule for cover saves is: • If the target is obscured and suffers a glancing hit, a penetrating hit, or is otherwise hit by an enemy shooting attack that inflicts damage upon it (such as being hit by a weapon with the Graviton special rule), it must take a cover save against it, exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against a Wound I've not yet found one for invulnerable saves though which therefore seem to still require a glancing or penetrating hit and are therefore ignored by grav weapons against vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Ruled as written, you can argue that you still don't have invul saves against grav, but nobody ever plays it that way because it's clearly not the intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaelion Hexis Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Something that has stumped me regarding this issue is ways of getting a cover save, i.e obscured vs jinking. the example citing the grav weapon, or any other damaging effect, is specifically mentioned for if the vehicle is obscured. Jinking however grants a cover save, but not obscured status. Maybe I'm reading too much into this? Have I missed a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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