Slips Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 So, I've been wondering and excuse me if its already been addressed but, as far as I know, there are no scout companies as we know them in 40k for the purpose of training recently inducted marines. How then, are they brought up to par with the rest of a Legions Marines? Do they train in Recon Squads since they're as close as we get to the 40k counterpart? Or are the immediately given power Armor and sent to the front lines in a Tactical / Assault / Heavy Support / Tac Support Squads? Just curious about this since I've personally not seen any mention of this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Recon Squads in 30k are specialist troops more akin to the 40k wolf scouts. It seems that new Marines get immediately their power Armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3863792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I believe that there is mention of initiates being formed into Scout squads in Deliverance Lost (p31-32), pre Isstvan. However to rebuild, Corax orders any existing scouts to join recon forces, and any close to initiation to receive their black carapace and become full battle brothers. Henceforth, any Raven Guard recruits "will have to learn to fight as full warriors from the outset; we do not have the years to train them cautiously." So that's the Raven Guard. Not sure what the other legions did. Hope this helps. Dallo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3863796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yeah, Deliverance lost wasn't the best book at all ... From FW, Legion Crusade Army list, pg. 34 The eyes and ears of the Legion in the field, Reconnaissance squads are formed from experienced Space Marines expert in operating independently and often deep behind enemy lines. Edit: OT: nice avatar slipstreams my mage is 100 now, finally, dumb server performane from blizzard ..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3863809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 Well at least that rules out recon squads. Also, thanks took me a while to find. Id also be 100 if it werent for 8 hour queue times so im stuck at 97 for now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3863811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I'm of the line of thought that after training, their first live engagements would see them deployed as linesmen. To me the change from 30k to 40k was a result of the Heresy whereby a depletion of resources and the knowledge that even the brightest had fallen, resaulted in no new marine being fully "trusted" with power armour until he has proven himself and his loyalty through combat and applied learning from the doctrine of the Codex Astartes. This is also the reason why traitor astartes dont have "scouts" (without power armour) they still follow the old processes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Depends on the legion I guess I know the training for WE recruits are in the pits if you survive you get your Armour and the DG have a die on contact from toxins regimen. I guess training was a lot more strenuous and higher fatalities due to high recruitment pools, whereas in 40k superstition takes hold Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I figured it probably followed a similar pattern to the 40k recruit regimen after the scout armour stage, so they first bed deployed to heavy and support weapons squads, then to an assault unit and finally become tactical marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Well there's no defined progression as we've seen the DA got their regimens down to 12 months from recruitment to battle ready. Also take into consideration they are restocking legionaries at a excelarated rate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 · Hidden by Hyaenidae, November 17, 2014 - double post Hidden by Hyaenidae, November 17, 2014 - double post Well there's no defined progression as we've seen the DA got their regimens down to 12 months from recruitment to battle ready. Also take into consideration they are restocking legionaries at a excelarated rate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864137
deathspectersgt7 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 In one of the first three HH novels there is a mention about scouts but only in passing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 In one of the first three HH novels there is a mention about scouts but only in passing. Can't really take most facts (in terms of Legion makeup) from the opening trilogy without a grain of salt, the HH back then was basically 40k with Primarchs & the numbers of the Legions are all wrong etc in light of where the series has been taken in the years since Horus Rising was published. I'd say it's a pretty safe guess they'd go straight into Tactical Squads. Apparently there is some information on how the Sons of Horus & DG recruit in HH: Conquest though, so maybe more is revealed there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 My personal assumption of general Legion indoc would have an initiate selected for a specific specialization. Size is a key difference that sets a Legion apart from a lesser 40k Chapter. Legions are large enough to allow a Legionary to perform an exclusive role. You'd have dedicated pilots, breachers, tactical or heavy support squads, etc. This wouldn't necessarily restrict a Marine from mastering more than one doctrine, just that they're initially trained in a single capacity. After passing the implantation stage and their basic training, Legionaries are tested to determine the field they excel most in, or whichever they show most promise in. Natural allocation. After demonstrating enough experience and skill, Marines are then elevated into higher roles, like leadership positions or placed into dedicated veteran formations. This is what could also set the Ultramarines apart from the rest (and serve as foreshadowing of the future). As the GC rages on and we approach the HH, other Legions are taking note of the Ultra approach to warfare, where Guilliman's been training his boys to learn ALL crafts of Astartes doctrine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 In one of the first three HH novels there is a mention about scouts but only in passing. Can't really take most facts (in terms of Legion makeup) from the opening trilogy without a grain of salt, the HH back then was basically 40k with Primarchs & the numbers of the Legions are all wrong etc in light of where the series has been taken in the years since Horus Rising was published. I'd say it's a pretty safe guess they'd go straight into Tactical Squads. Apparently there is some information on how the Sons of Horus & DG recruit in HH: Conquest though, so maybe more is revealed there Well with the current facts I do not take any ones word on the statis of the legions . They change the story day to day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Michael Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 In scars we see massed recruitment training and selection upon Terra. It reminded me of a progressive training regiment with advancement to a legion upon your completion not unlike modern military training. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Since power armor was mass produced at the time, I don't think there was any problem giving it to new recruits because it wasn't a venerable relic as it is in 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299341-space-marine-initiates-in-30k/#findComment-3864558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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