Kais89 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 With the pretty much unanimous confirmation that SG have been reduced in points, who else is eager to play them and what role do you see them filling? For me, i can see them replacing my Sternguard suicide unit, or providing support for them. With the reduced points cost, adding a few Infernus Pistols doesn't seem like a bad idea and having them deep strike near vulnerable armor. Heck, even axes on SG isn't horrible against vehicles in assault (although th/ss do it better for 60 more points). So how will you other commanders be putting them to use? Are you going to field 10 in a single unit? What about a priest or banner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I think I've got to wait and see what else is in the book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 In my opinion, it's too early to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Defo too early. For me personally it hinges on what GW do with Dante and how he affects the Sanguinary Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaweda Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I'm with Shaezus. Dante is key for me to switch to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 For me I'm thinking a 10 man squad. Hopefully there will be scope to create a captain with a chapter relic that gives eternal warrior, guve him a storm shield and he can tank high ap shots for the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Or maybe Sanguinor will get ic status and be able to fill that roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais89 Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 If Sanguinor got IC, i could see a lot of people using him more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Too early to tell, HOWEVER ... Sanguinary Guard have always been and always will be a part of my army anyway. So the 165 pts is more relevant to me in terms of what else I can bring (like MOAR Sanguinary Guard!). But I definitely need to see what, if anything, has changed for them otherwise and what Sanguinary Priests will do ... will they still give a FNP bubble? Will there be other ways to protect them from AP2 weapons (dare I hope for eternal warrior Dante -- with his Iron Halo he could do decent tanking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I will go far enough to say that if nothing else in the codex changes, these changes would lead me to use Sanguinary Guard more often. I wouldn't say they need a change to Dante to become useful. I just don't want to promise "yes, I'm all about the Sanguinary Guard!" and have it turn out that I was prematurely enthused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronhour Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think they'll make a good second wave for a pod list, especially throwing a priest in possibly giving. Or a nice backfield killer unit for a armour focused list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think they'll make a good second wave for a pod list, especially throwing a priest in possibly giving. Or a nice backfield killer unit for a armour focused list. I think they'll have pretty good durability, especially if priests still give FNP. T 4, 2+ save, 5+ FNP... it's not an invulnerable save, but it ain't bad, either. Too bad there's no way to strap a jump pack to an allied ecclesiarchy priest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronhour Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think they'll make a good second wave for a pod list, especially throwing a priest in possibly giving. Or a nice backfield killer unit for a armour focused list. I think they'll have pretty good durability, especially if priests still give FNP. T 4, 2+ save, 5+ FNP... it's not an invulnerable save, but it ain't bad, either. Too bad there's no way to strap a jump pack to an allied ecclesiarchy priest! if our librarians come down to sm or wolves prices a bio or dived up libby would be a good addition, I'm hoping you can combat squad at 10 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I already play Sanguinary guard in my lists . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Not as they are yet. Maybe though. Depends on what else is in there. Formations/Relics/ICs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Of course they are viable. This is a unit that hits like a ton of bricks, has decent shooting, a 2+ cover save, and moves 12" a turn. Just because a unit doesn't have an invuln save doesn't mean it's not playable. You can use cover saves. You can also give them FNP with a priest. Plasma doesn't insta-kill them, so they can take cover saves and/or a 5+ FNP. Yes, melta guns ignore their FNP, but they still get cover saves against melta and are mobile enough to avoid most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I've always loved the SG, so anything that improves them is awesome in my book. Cheaper SG and larger squads, yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedrolol Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 hey ,people ...how we now most named characters lost they rules to give they chanse to change slot for unitunless captian on bike and some DA heroes...so...Dante may lost his rule too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 hey ,people ...how we now most named characters lost they rules to give they chanse to change slot for unit unless captian on bike and some DA heroes... so...Dante may lost his rule too Yeah... we're all pretty much expecting to lose the sanguinary guard to Troops trick... That said, I don't think it's that important to the unit's success. We'll live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Particularly since all units are scoring in 7E, it's not as big of a deal if we can't run SG as troops. They are a fairly durable fast moving unit that can still claim an objective, get line breaker, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Need to know what happens to van vets and honor guard...then factor in the cheaper DC jumpers...there's just gonna be so many viable options for strong jumper units in the near future, it's difficult to decide. Lower price does make them more attractive though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I'll be running 2 squads of 5. Both with 3 swords a axe and a fist, one squad with a banner and either 1 or 2 priests, these wil be behind my Baal pred, 2 squads of 10 assault marines(or possibly dc) and drop pod dread ( most likely Libby) General plan is drop dread as distraction that needs to be dealt with Scout pred and use as mobile cover Use assault squads as a "thin red line" to give me intervening models cover Then if assault marines get charged my sang guard are my counter assault if not get assault marines into and sanguinary guard target what is needed. Obviously this is all subject to blow up in my face first turn as games never pan out easily but as a basic. Direction for my army I like. Jump packs everywhere. Ps looking forward to what all our hq options are going to be because I have been using astorath a lot lately and want to give everyone else a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 They viable, but still not very good in my opinion. I'll use them for sure. If we get a decently priced IC with Eternal Warrior and 3++ they become alot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 With a price cut of nearly 20%, they certainly become a lot better. I have 25 to make up that I picked up cheaply but I have been waiting for the new codex before I finished assembling them. My current ideas are along the lines of 2 10-man squads with just a few upgrades to bear the brunt of the fighting. A 5-man squad all with infernus pistols to DS and take out enemy armour (of course this depends on some version of DoA surviving in the new codex). The big thing to remember is that between the price cut and the option to take larger squads, the issue of an invulnerable save is not quite so pressing. Sure, I hope we can still get FNP in there but the main thing is that we have a squad that can take a few casualties and still hit hard against elite enemy units. Certain armies can spam Ap2 easier than others so I don't think SG are going to become a death star unit the way TWC have for the puppies. However I think they may now be a decent unit, depending on what else is in the codex. As for cover or an invulnerable save, you can always screen them with a unit of DC with jump packs. They will probably work well in tandem with the DC mulching through horde units while the SG take on the elite stuff. As others have said though, synergy with ICs, special rules and upgrades will be the key to determining whether SG are good or merely playable. At least I won't feel like I am actively penalizing myself for taking them now, I just need to find a way to keep them clear of Grav guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 As very astute members have mentioned, will have to wait and see what else is in the book - buuuuuut - here's how i work the math. Basically a 2+ save means you will fail half as many saves as a 3+ save - that means for the SG to be worthwhile, they need to be at a general max, twice as expensive than other jumpers for consideration. While their wargear should balance or weigh in on that consideration strongly, its no point if they dont make it into combat with enough bodies to actually do something. If the RAS are 17ppm as per C:SM, then 33 is an exceptional deal considering the wargear we get in addition to that. Depending on how I can build them in, I think they will make a "return" to my army (i've literally only used them 2 or 3 times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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